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Growing protests call on Netanyahu to bring Hamas hostages home (www.washingtonpost.com)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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On Friday, protesters fired flares in the air and demanded Netanyahu step down. Mounted police and trucks blocked their way. Demonstrators blame the prime minister for the security failures leading to the Hamas attack on Israeli communities on Oct. 7 — when authorities here say militants killed 1,200 people — as well his handling of the war in Gaza and the hostages since.

“Netanyahu has to leave or we’ll never get the hostages home,” said Karen Beltz, a Tel Aviv film producer. She said the protests were beginning to swell, but were still not as large or angry as the anti-government demonstrations that rocked Israel for months last year.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Israelis don’t give a shit about what they’ve done to Palestinians, only that they themselves have been affected.

See how the complaints are always “he’s to blame for the security failures” and never “he’s to blame for funding Hamas, causing suffering and devastation to an entire peoples allowing them to become so desperate they act radically”.

Zero sympathy or remorse for their own actions, both present and historical. They’ll learn nothing from this except “we should aim more guns at the wall.”

Fuck the far-right nation of Israel’s and the people who vote them into power time and time again.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fuck the far-right nation of Israel’s and the people who vote them into power time and time again.

IRC the current far right coalition government did not gain an absolute majority of votes. They won a majority of seats, because of recent changes to the electoral system which primarily disadvantaged smaller left-wing parties.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“he’s to blame for funding Hamas, causing suffering and devastation to an entire peoples allowing them to become so desperate they act radically”.

The order of operations here is a bit wrong (he funded Hamas and caused suffering and devastation. Not that Hamas is a good government, but he did a whole lot more than just fund Hamas).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Oh those were intended as separate things in a list.

[+] [email protected] -16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

People worldwide don’t give a shit about Palestine, they just love to be able to blast Israel in random comments, yelling hate into the void from the comfort of their homes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's the biggest copium I've seen today.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Alright. What do you like about Palestine? Any part of their culture? Anything specific about their contributions to the world? I’m just curious why they get so much more media compared to all other forms of human suffering on the planet. Don’t misunderstand, I am not saying anybody deserves any suffering, war is hell for both sides. But what is it about them that mobilized the entire world to be against Israel and march every day everywhere screaming free Palestine? Other Muslims are dying in many countries, being ruthlessly murdered by… mostly other Muslims or the US or Russia or hey if you wanna believe it, maybe even by Israel. What’s with this tiny group of Muslims in the tiniest of countries called Israel that makes them so famous and more worthy than others of worldwide support? I’ve yet to find an answer to this that doesn’t somehow relate to some form of antisemitism.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The fact that you think I have to "like" Palestine in order to not support oppressing and genociding them says everything.

I feel the same way about them as I do about other targeted minorities like Armenians, Rohingya, Uighurs etc. No one deserves to be treated like they're subhuman no matter how much I dislike certain aspects of their culture. And every culture has its good and bad aspects.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That’s not what I said. No need to put words in my mouth. Just wondering where all the catchy slogans for Armenians, Rohingya, Uighurs etc. are. There’s more of them than Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You can oppose multiple genocides you mouth breather.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

I know. I oppose all genocide. I believe it should be the default setting for all humans. Just pointing out the thing about how much more proportional attention we give to one issue vs. another.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

@Fimbulwinter personally I'm very interested in human rights for everyone.

I wish for example the Rohingya, the Tigrayans, the Oromians, the West Papuans, the Saharawi, the Armenians, the Sudanese, and the Uighur were all getting this much air-time.

Unfortunately Israel is the US's pet financial project (with a significant US expat population, too) and dominates US-led media cycles.

I find that whenever I am able to educate people on these other genocides and ethnic cleansing attempts, they come to have strong opinions on these as well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because unlike all the others you mention, this genocide is actively funded by "us". This is the one that is done by "us" as the west. This is done by people who are supposed to be like us. It's the horrible feeling that we are responsible and we can't do anything except for point out that the Israeli government is a genocidal bunch of assholes and hope that our governments will finally get their heads out of Bibi's ass.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Before I start: what Israel is doing in Gaza is criminal, the far right government of Israel is horrible, what the IDF is doing is disproportionate and needs to stop, and Palestinians deserve to have their own country.

I’ve yet to find an answer to this that doesn’t somehow relate to some form of antisemitism.

Politics.

Israel is a US ally and receives a lot of aid, which means criticising Israel is politically useful for Chinese, Russian, Iranian and allied propagandists and the useful idiots who uncritically spread their propaganda. It's no coincidence that the same people who often spend all day discussing Israel online, are far more likely to deny what's happened in Xinjiang, be opposed to western support for Ukraine, and/or ignore Russian involvement in Syria and Sudan.

Even more unfortunately, these useful idiots then uncritically parrot propaganda which is often very anti-semitic. For example, you'll often see people unironically claim that '''Zionists''' control all western media or even on occassion go on about how cunning the '''Zionist''' is. It's icky.

Unfortunately these are people who like to think of themselves as good, so they're unable to be self-critical. Vanity, it's the Devil's favourite sin. Few people admit their biases even if they're aware of them. It doesn't help that the Israeli right often labels any criticism of Israel as anti-semitic, which offers anti-semites and those who spread anti-semitic propaganda cover. "Zionists say any criticism of Israel is anti-semitic. I'm just being critical!"

Once again: this doesn't mean people shouldn't be critical of what Israel's doing in Gaza.

This comment is overly long, the debate is deeply polarised, people have come to their view on the matter through emotion so no rational argument will sway them, and I will convince exactly no one to moderate their behaviour or be more critical and/or nuanced.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

lmao.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Now!” Demonstrators Thursday shut down a major road in downtown Tel Aviv; a group of hostage family members handcuffed themselves together and blocked the gates during a meeting of the war cabinet.

Some have set off colored smoke bombs and carried posters depicting Netanyahu’s son Yair as a hostage with the legend: “How would it be different it was him?”

Demonstrators blame the prime minister for the security failures leading to the Hamas attack on Israeli communities on Oct. 7 — when authorities here say militants killed 1,200 people — as well his handling of the war in Gaza and the hostages since.

The prime minister said further talks were pointless until Hamas dropped “delusional demands” that Israel withdraw from Gaza and free thousands of detained Palestinians as part of any hostage deal.

On Saturday, the leader of Israel’s largest and most influential trade union group called on Netanyahu to step down and face the voters.

Anger against the prime minister is rising, but analysts say it’s unlikely to reach critical mass until the number of combat forces in Gaza comes down, tensions ease along the border with Lebanon and the hostages are freed.

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