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[Discussion] Regarding Exploding-Heads, the admins are now banning users requesting defederation. This isn't a bad thing. (sh.itjust.works)
submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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Here is the thread of theirs

I have been looking through a long thread on another instance where a few users have been trying to convince that instance to defederate from Exploding Heads - because they do not want to see the content posted on Exploding Heads.

I have thought long and hard about how to please these people. They do have the option to individually block Exploding Heads communities or users, but they either do not know how to or simply do not want to.

In the end I realized if I ban those specific users requesting defederation from Exploding Heads - they will not see any content from Exploding Heads and therefore will not be offended by it. (Truth be told I am not sure if some of these users have really visited our site or interacted with our users).

So today I have banned those users with the explanation that they have said they do not want to see Exploding Heads content. If any of those users wish to be unbanned in the future, all they have to do is say so and I will happily unban them.

These users are not being banned in order to censor them, but to help them achieve what they have been requesting - to not see Exploding Heads content.

I hope you all find this a fair and reasonable action - if not let me know.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was a 12 year user and they banned me permanently on the 6th, during a blackout, for "harassment", on a comment that was mild and simply complained about r/politics moderators and shared my true experience of being banned from politics after a decade of use for saying, "only a fool links opinion pieces as evidence.". Would love to prove it but they removed my comment and I haven't been able to track it down subsequently.

Anyone have any ideas how to get it? I'd like to send my story to some journalists while Reddit is a hot topic to show they ban long term users who didn't break rules simply because they don't like what the user is saying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/146ovat/comment/jnsj3w0

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sorry to be insensitive, but I don't think that's a hot scoop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I don't think that's insensitive. I think claiming a 12 year user is harassing people and permanently banning them, because they complained about subjective moderation, is evidence of how poorly run Reddit is. I don't need an article about me but it's damning evidence and can certainly be beneficial to these authors who already are writing about Reddit and have an audience. But I have nothing to share if I can't get a hold of my comment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they have some excellent points. I've been lurking in both instances and have yet to see any explodingheads users exploring outside of their instance (except one guy who said they made an account to cause dissent in the exploding-heads instance).

They are a tiny instance with only 40 Users per week (This is increased due to other instances peeking inside). If you look across their top posts all week, or even their hot page, you'll see that there are only a few active users. Their top post this week only has 18 upvotes. Comparatively, sh.it has 424 upvotes.

Block the active posters and communities, and you won't see them ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This proves my point. Most of those examples are from the same few users in the same communities.

Block them. Easy peasy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis"

I get what you're saying, but why associate with a place that allows people like that in the first place?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

They aren't neo-nazis.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's certainly an interesting strategy, let's see how that works out

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems fair to me.

Though I think those who don't like this instance should just block the communities and move on.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Agreed, exploding heads is not for me, so I block and move on. I am new so I still use All to see what's going on and find new content. This NIMBY 'let's defederate' seems counterproductive. Looking at you beehaw.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Considering the entire point of places like this is to weaponize social media for far right forces, color me skeptical. Though I guess Imaybe they are still in a "protecting the movement" phase of "Nazis ruin everything" so maybe it makes sense.

Edit - I see what's going on here. Op is a right wing troll. Do not feed the troll.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok so serious question, why do you (& others) say they're nazis? I've checked the instance and haven't seen anything that reminds me of nazism.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

just perusing the communities tab over there, I saw TheDonald, a covid-19 subreddit with a conspiratorial tone, and "anarcho-capitalism". While these things aren't inherently nazi, they have a common association with right wing bigotry at the very least, and often appeal to fascists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Good ol "not all Trumpists, covid conspiracy theorists, and anarcho-capitalists are fascists, but all fascists are Trumpists, covid conspiracy theorists, and anarcho-capitalists."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i understand that thedonald and donald trump is often associated with fascism, i don't really understand why this is the case, since as far as i know, fascism is a militaristic state. I do get that it has a lot in common since it's a paternalistic one-man figure which appeals to reactionaries that would advocate to leave aside the law to put the guy in charge of reforming the country and removing something.

i'm not very sure if that's really fascism or not, i'd say it's eh, dumb authoritarianism. covid conspirationalism, i've seen that shit in venezuela from ppl who were just randos who didn't know anything, ppl who said it was the 5g or china or whatever, i didn't see any political alignment to being dumb and gullible

the one that strikes me the most from your list is anarcho-capitalism, which is often associated with a "nation" without a government, much less a president or a dictator, which i thought was an absolute requirement for fascism and authoritarianism. i'm not very sure how this one could even approach being nazism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Alright I make it a point to try and engage people in good-faith, so I'm gonna actually try to explain why. I think that in practical terms, fascism is an ideology who's mythic core relies on ultra-nationalist rhetoric involving "rebirth" of the nation. (this is from Roger Griffin in his book "Fascism", which I learned from this medium essay) In this way, Trump, and many in the GOP in his footsteps, resemble this with their talk of "making america great again" and "taking their country back", rejection of multilateralism in favor of "America First", and the demonisation of outgroups (be it immigrants, queer people, muslims, etc), for example. hence the association.

The linked article does say that Trump is not fascist, but was written in 2019, before Trump did actively try to circumvent the peaceful transfer of power. It ends with the following:

Succinctly describing the current administration might not be a possibility until we have the benefit of hindsight. In the meantime, it’s the duty of all Americans to remain vigilant, and to continue to fight for democracy.

With anarcho-capitalism, you are right in the sense that the ideology as stated would be a capitalism society without a State (or government, as you put it) - but many ancaps do hold views against interracial and same-sex marrage, which often leads to them adopting other common fascist views like racial segregation, religious fundamentalism, etc.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

thank you, i understand now the trump fascist perspective

i'm still feeling a bit left out on the anarcho-capitalist fascist perspective tho. Anarchists have a long history of wanting to use violence to get out of an authoritarian system. I'd say that's a similarity with fascism where they would circumvent the law to put themselves and their views first. But I'm not sure that's enough for that, as you did say that "as stated", it is an ideology that seeks to have a society without a 'state' or 'government'.

Is being racist, homophobic and monogamist and otherwise moralistic with some skewed morals enough to be called a fascist? Or to point toward being a fascist? Again afaik fascism is like Hitler or Mussolini where ppl decide "this figure is great and we need to break the law to get them absolute power, they will be equivalent to a king and will favor our people".