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EM_POC WEEKLY THREAD!!! 2/14/24 (hexbear.net)

submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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HAPPY VALENTINES DAY YALLLLL!!!!!! HOW WE DOING?. come vent, chat, or gush! as usual no crackers allowed.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

Had a very meh Valtentine's Day. Not that I want to put too much weight on it, but considering how dead my love life is, the last time I dated was about 5 years ago, I can't help feel the desire to be with someone on a day that's just all about that.

Besides that I don't know that I'd call it a debate, but the cleaning lady at my job was asking me who I'm voting for in the presidential elections and I said no one. She kept telling me to vote for Trump so that he can resolve the "migrant crisis" and I said, he's not really going to resolve anything, especially not for us [workers]. Then she hit me with the "this is an important election" to which I replied, "yeah, we're told every election is the most important of our lives". I kept it light-hearted with my over the top quirky voice, but inside I was kind of pissed. I'm tired of hearing libs and conservatives blame migrants for problems that have been present forever.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

sorry about the meh day. and yeah you fully have to right be annoyed with that xenophobic shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Are you that white-passing to have her try to convince you like that? lmao

That being said, idk what to do with that woman, OP....

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Nah, she's also a POC. I think the biggest issue is just that so many people come to the US buying into the bootstraps mentality that they feel like anyone who comes here and struggles is just sapping resources from everyone else.

It's especially prevalent with immigrants who come here by legal means. They think that the government is welcoming in illegal migrants with open arms even though that isn't true. It doesn't help that the media constantly bangs on about the migrant crisis and covers it in a way that makes most people who aren't critical of the media they consume think that their enemy are migrants rather than the ruling class.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

All I can say is, the woman is a bit too simple, sometimes naive... you can change her...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I doubt it lol. She's dabbled with being a landlord in the past and she's still given thought of buying cheap property out of state to rent out. She's also part of a union, but if my memory serves me right, she didn't have a very high opinion of unions in general. Overall just very much into the capitalist mindset.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

On sec thoughts, if referring to this context

Please read Masses, Elites et Rebels by Red Sails...

Edit: essentially

Westerners are willingly complicit in crimes because they instinctively and correctly understand that they benefit as a class (as a global bourgeois proletariat) from the exploitation enabled by their military and their propaganda (in Gramscian: organs of coercion and consent).

In my opinion, I think the benefits come from the overwhelming exploitation of the Global South's resources nad labor used to build up the Global North/the West's economic opportunities.

Here's a fact:

The South’s losses outstrip their aid receipts by a factor of 30.

So, until she has been later disenfranchised by the reality of capitalism... she would probably stick to their own status (which, I mean, understandable)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Red Sails kinda sucks and so does Roderic Day.

You should read things critically, not just tell people to read something.

You should explain it in your own words instead of tasking others to read what you've read.

IMHO.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You should explain it in your own words instead of tasking others to read what you've read.

Honestly this is something I've tried to an extent. Not that I really think I'm going to convince anyone, but I try to at least give a more leftist perspective on whatever it is we may be talking about.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Awesome!

I also disagree with the Roderic Day article above (just saw the edit).

There are many BIPOC and poor people in the Western world.

It's not even a matter of "rights" and "disenfranchisement" and it's more accurate to say that a lot of this stuff is implicit and isn't really thought of in concrete terms by Westerners.

And being "proletarianized" isn't a panacea for, say, chauvinism or racism.

(Also, the article on brain-washing is kinda silly in general lmao)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

bonk

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Yeah, I have a relative who works for DHS and she says there's lots of racism there too.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Hasan “I’m white. In my real life, I am treated by white people as a white person. I have white privilege. I am white.” Hexbear users “ actually, I am extremely racist, and do not consider you to be white by my standards, which are more racist than the average person , this is an actually very progressive and leftist thing to say”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Aye, my stance is, if you're considered white by most of society, I guess you're white. Just wait until they pulling out calipers and compare you to the "purer" races... and that's an oof for you...

Whiteness is as consistent as the mutual intelligibility of all the Arabic language(s)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Whiteness and race are fluid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Exactly!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not just whatever Americans think, particularly a Turk living in America, and one with a lot of privilege.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not thinking of Americans?

What will be considered white in Spain, will not exactly correlate with what British people would think are white, and so on with Scandinivia, Russia, Germany, U.S.A, etc

I think my point with Arab languages, with it as a comparison, is that the national dialects within them aren't really mutually intelligible to each other...

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

“Actually, he is Muslim therefore he cannot be white because I do not consider Muslim people to be white. I am very progressive.” Or or “ he is Turkish and Turkish people cannot be white, despite Turkish people being white, this is a anti-racist statement”

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

“ Actually, I am literally Hitler reincarnate, and my view of who is and isn’t white is the most accurate one”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I don't think many are saying that haha

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

A Chechen is white so long as they don’t mention they’re Muslim.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

When a well to do black conservative says that racism is over and they're treated as white, do you believe them?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Many Arabs and people around Arabia (Turkmen, Kurds, etc.) consider themselves white, tbh.

I don't know if it's true in general.

But that's where "lived experience" comes in.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Happy Valentine's Day, to all of you comrades! stalin-heart

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

You too as well... a late Valentine's!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

stalin-heart

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Yay.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Both my parents are from China and immigrated to an Anglo country. One came from a family who had a successful business in the village they lived in and they owned a single large courtyard property. The other came from a poor family where most people were selling miscellaneous goods on the streets from a cart

The former's family got all their capital and property confiscated by the Party, and all fled to the UK where nearly all of them worked low wage jobs at restaurants or factories

The latter's family all stayed behind except for my parent, and now they own a successful local real estate company and live in a city with standards of living far, far above the country I'm from in almost every aspect. That parent who moved mostly worked low wage factory jobs

Really makes you think (I'm high)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

my partner forgot to make the reservation for our date! I'm trying not to pout about it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

My dad invites mom for dinner at a french restaurant. Hope they have a good time.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

So cute!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Ah, I hope everything's fine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Another Valentines day alone...well not alone. Im watching Matrix with my brother later. (The new Matrix havent seen that one)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Hope you like the movie! Hanging out with your brother should be nice.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Hope it was fun.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Sometimes...

It seems that us "mixed people" (I'm not sure what the right term is) are the lowest of the low.

Scorned by both (or more) sides of our heritage.

I don't like it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Looking back, I was abused by my therapists for being non-white.

Sigh

I'm going to have to talk about that with my therapist today during a session...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Hello.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm Pluto.

AMA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How's it up there? You're farthest from the sun, than any other dwarf planet, I think...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

@[email protected] has me beat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Oh, ok... how's your relationship with the other dwarf planets?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

We're on good terms.

We plot our revenge against the non-dwarf planets.

They can't stop all of us!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

I've been thinking a lot about conflict resolution styles and how it relates to culture. I feel like displays of strong emotion, or conflict in general are kind of punished or discouraged in American culture, strongly informed by white cultural values. Especially here in the Midwest.

I don't really believe in conflict for conflict's sake but I also feel like the ol "keep silently eating dinner and dont address any issues" WASPy style of conflict is hugely damaging as well

trying to balance what I know and have lived and grown up with vs what other people outside my own culture expect is infuriating.

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