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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are definitely issues in US institutions, but a liberal is not going to defend the shortcomings

Lol, remember when Hillary tried to counter Trump's "make america great again" with "america is already great"?

And then she became the first wamen presindent because she did not defend the shortcomings, the rest is herstory

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I value possessing comfortable pillows to sit on...

Oh shit oh fuck! I'm a materialist now!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

jesus christ, the final sentence is just absolute chef's kiss

bro, you just spent two paragraphs not knowing the definition of fucking words and making up a load of shit that loosely parrots what you learned on reddit. you're the one lost in the sauce, shut the fuck up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It kind of sucks because you could have an interesting clash of ideas with someone who disagrees with the material basis of ideas. It'd sound like a debate about whether math is invented or discovered. If ideas are before material conditions and ideals will outlive any condition, then it would imply the existence of an objectively superior leader who is wisest regardless of the circumstances they find themselves in. We'd owe Aaron Sorkin an apology. You'd have to reread Berserk and say that Griffith did nothing wrong. You'd have a Calvanist world where some people are chosen by fate to lead. Truly, the divine right of kings would be back on the menu. The most correct monarch would be protected by God in battle and their people would be the chosen people. Then when barbarians overrun them and they think back to their former glory, they realize that a new leader has been reborn from the ashes who needs to lead them to repel the invaders and interlopers. They'd be justified in concentrating the unworthy and disposing of them. And they would have gotten away with it if communists hadn't saved the world from fascism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Material Girl was a marxist song actually.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Really unfortunate linguistic clusterfuck here.

I do actually think marxists should be careful when they throw out "materialist". It will absolutely flummox libs every time. Know your audience folks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I agree and disagree. Or maybe I agree but want to disagree. the materialist versus idealist divide is such a basic and important concept in philosophy that I feel like anyone should at least understand that the words have different meanings in that context. but getting people to understand that words are just tenuous representations of concepts is a hard sell.

other problematic words are fetishism and reactionary

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had a "friend" in high school who had a phase where he'd ask you "whats the manliness song in the world 'random song' or 'material girl by madonna'"

It was always material girl

He also read loli in class

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He also read loli in class

That weeby name is such a thin mostly-transparent mask over what it directly is. libertarian-alert

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Lmao, I’m reading this in an app, so the react images are just the names til you click. “Libertarian alert” being the Chris Hansen take a seat is gold

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

linkeroni:
https://lemmy.world/comment/1985474

it's from the closed announcement thread so you won't be able to immediately bully, plus lemmy.world is the most unstable website i've ever seen
however, check out the username and specifically the instance they're from

SmoothIsFast@citizensgaming.com

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

citizensgaming.com

freeze-gamer farquaad-point

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Again, this person simply doesn't know the lexicon, but their heart is most likely in the correct place

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Their heart is in the exact wrong place...

Not just incorrect, but deciding to lecture and chide despite the fact that someone just gave them a short definition they could go look up and verify. Take the 60 seconds to do that? Nah, they'll just make stuff up, make it about their ego. God forbid they challenge their beliefs in any way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It was a post literally explaining what liberalism is to a liberal. I didn't have high hopes. I agree jargon can make things unnecessarily confusing, but this is 101 stuff.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think this does demonstrate that using marxist jargon to explain Marxism makes you harder to understand.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Materialism isn't Marxist jargon though, it's pretty basic philosophy jargon, especially since it's the opposite of idealism

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have any idea how many people there are whose entire philosophy education is from reddit? Basic philosophy jargon is too much

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Philosophy is when you want to fuck your dad