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Councils call for pavement parking to be banned across England (www.bbc.co.uk)

submitted 9 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Sounds great in principle, but where are me and the other 60 houses down our terraced street with no off-street parking supposed to park our cars?

Yes, I'd love to live in the public transport utopia that's just over the horizon, but right now, I need a car to get to and from work and I live in a house that was literally built before cars were a thing.

Again, I can only speak to our street but the vast majority of car owners make sure there's ample room to get through. The issue is that there's usually one or two assholes who ruin it for everyone, and those guys usually find out pretty quickly why it's a bad idea to block the path.

For context: I drive, but I've also had two kids and therefore two pushchairs I've had to navigate along the pavement. My car also got totalled a few years ago by a delivery driver who drove into it whilst it was parked. Id rather it not be parked on the road/pavement but what choice do we have here?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Found the guy from Manchester

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Basically any city or town or village that was built before the invention of the car, and in the UK that's basically everywhere. The house I live in was built before plumbing. God damn the road is narrow.

If we didn't park on the curb no one would be able to get past. The other day an ambulance came up here, and it was a squeeze but it was fine so I don't think it's actually a problem.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Basically true for Bristol too. Barely any rail network (despite having two main stations), a terrible bus system under a monopoly, and often no choice but to drive if you want to keep your job.

We've also got some very tight roads, and terraced housing that isn't really fit for purpose any more, especially outside of the main city.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I think it already is. It just doesn't get enforced.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (3 children)

I think it is illegal to completely obstruct a pavement to the point that wheelchairs, pushchairs etc can’t get past.

But parking your car and leaving a bit of a gap is apparently fine.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

When I had driving lessons, it was taught that most people think that's the rule, and in real life it practically is the rule, but it's on the books as illegal to put your car on the pavement at all, and you'll be penalised for it during the parking parts of a driving test.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think the specific offence is driving on the pavement, which parking obviously requires, but I could be wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

From the highway code:

244

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

Law GL(GP)A sect 15

Signs explicitly permitting it are rare.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Many of the rules in the Code are legal requirements, and if you disobey these rules you are committing a criminal offence. You may be fined, given penalty points on your licence or be disqualified from driving. In the most serious cases you may be sent to prison. Such rules are identified by the use of the words ‘MUST/MUST NOT’. In addition, the rule includes an abbreviated reference to the legislation which creates the offence. See an explanation of the abbreviations.

Although failure to comply with the other rules of the Code will not, in itself, cause a person to be prosecuted, The Highway Code may be used in evidence in any court proceedings under the Traffic Acts (see The road user and the law) to establish liability. This includes rules which use advisory wording such as ‘should/should not’ or ‘do/do not’.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/introduction

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I know you’re not allowed to put an HGV on the pavement, but I thought everything else was ok.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

From the highway code:

244

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

Law GL(GP)A sect 15

Signs explicitly permitting it are rare.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Law GL(GP)A is the Greater London (General Powers) Act, it has no bearing on what happens outside of London. "Should" instructions in the Highway Code are guidance for best practice and are not enforceable in and of themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Except in London boroughs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Because rich cunts see the fine as the parking fee...

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

If only there was some kind of book or document that contains all the rules and instructions about the use of roads, that everyone can access freely and is constantly updated.

Rule 244

You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.

Seems pretty clear to me...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (15 children)

Should not means you can. You're just a very naughty boy.

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[–] freamon 5 points 9 months ago

Part of the problem is how much wider on average cars have got, making it less viable to park next to the curb or with just 2 wheels on it. Another part is that both members of a couple are more likely to be working and needing separate cars, and if their kids can't afford to move away, than that's an extra car too. Additionally, councils have convinced themselves that not lowering carbs to allow for extra driveways is promoting public transport use, ignoring how unviable that often is.

Cars with all 4 wheels on the pavement annoy me, but it's become so normalised that drivers have looked at me, like me walking on the pavement is an irritating obstruction to where they have every right to be. I think the police in some areas allow you to upload a photo to report them, but it's not something I'd do 'cos it's a complex problem and fines aren't the solution.

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