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Foxx’s message was in reference to a prior post, no longer found on his feed, which read, “They killed this dude named Jesus… What do you think they’ll do to you???!” He ended the post with the hashtags #fakefriends and #fakelove.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why do some Christians blame Jews or anyone for killing Jesus? I mean isn't that what Jesus wanted? Wasn't that the predefined plan? Kinda like Judas. If it was determined by god that Judas would betray Jesus, why should Judas be punished for it, and how is that free will?

Anyways, it makes no sense.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Bible do not make sense. The more you read it the more you'll be convinced that its all bull shit.

There is a saying among atheist (paraphrased) "The road to atheism is through the bible" or "Only atheists have read the Bible cover to cover."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hang on, bruh… you tryna tell me the earth isn’t 5,000 years old?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Where exactly in the bible does it point out how old the earth is?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It doesn't say. The number comes from adding up all the dates in it. Which is not something I have studied so I am not sure how they resolve all the little problems like the period of slavery being given two different durations or the two different chronologies from David to Jesus in Luke and Matthew.

Don't try the allegorical approach. It was not allegorical for people who wrote the Bible.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@afraid_of_zombies @style99

It's from Genesis. Scroll down to "Ussher's Methods" in the following link.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

Welcome to the horseshit that is religion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There were early Christian sects which venerated Judas as a saint because of that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

And it's not like he actually died, he was resurrected 3 days later by himself.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There was a splitter sect in early Christianity that went back to Jerusalem. At some point they were cast out of the temples and formed their own. They became bitter and angry. Gradually the other books of Christianity seeped into this community and at some point the fourth gospel (traditional called John) was written. Pilot and the Romans were recast as innocent powerless against the Pharisees. You can see for yourself the difference between Pilot's interrogation in Mark, where Pilot is really hung up on the challenge to the throne, vs John where Pilot is working hard to prove that Jesus is innocent.

As the Gospel with the most developed spiritual stuff, a proto-trinity, it is often the most studied and read from. Reneforcing the antisemitism.

I guess the moral of the story is make sure to rotate your tires on every oil change.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The tweet in question: "They killed this dude named Jesus… What do you think they’ll do to you???! #fakefriends and #fakelove"

In the world we live in, I can see how someone might interpret this as antisemitic, but it's a non-story in my opinion. I'm certaint he meant sinners or something along those lines.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Right, why would people assume he's saying Jews killed Jesus when he did not, in fact, say anything about Jews and Jews did not kill Jesus? I could make the argument that people assuming the worst possible interpretation of Jamie Foxx's words is, in itself, potentially offensive, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions about why they jumped to those conclusions. These types of non stories happen all the time on Twitter and get way more traction than they ever should. We shouldn't even be talking about this right now lol

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What is the alternative interpretation?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Fake Friends, because Judas claimed to be Jesus's friend, but betrayed him.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So you think he's talking about the Romans or something? Makes zero sense.

And your argument is, what, that the News turned Jesus in but didn't directly kill him?

It's not a question of potential. The words are outright offensive, in fact, in reality. And they're pure discrimination, too. Even if some group of people did something shady 2000 years ago, why does that have anything to do with people today? It doesn't, unless...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Read the article. Not every casual tweet has to have monumental importance.

He wasn't talking about Jewish people at all. His only fault here is failing to see how easily his poor choice of words would be misinterpreted by the internet outrage machine.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

The idea that Jews collectively killed Jesus is nothing new.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-killed-jesus/

And it's still around. Survey from 2004 linked below shows that about a quarter of Americans held that belief and that it had increased since the late nineties. Hell, I think it was a theme in Jesus Christ Superstar.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2004/04/02/belief-that-jews-were-responsible-for-christs-death-increases/

I guess someone could be ignorant of all this, but whenever someone brings up who "killed Jesus" they're usually not trying to make some vague point via an innocent analogy. In other words, if someone comes out talking about one of the foundational ideas behind European/American anti-Semitism, I'm going to make some assumptions.

But who knows. Maybe those hoofbeats mean I'm about to be overrun by a herd of zebras.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

He clarified it meant "fake friends" which in the context of the Jesus story makes perfect sense. The moral here is maybe don't post every random thought that pops into your head.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's more to do with the context of his past opinions. If I remember right, Jamie Foxx is one of those people like Kanye who think that black people are the real Jews and everything is a conspiracy against them

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago

I met him once. Right when he started his singing Career. He’s legit a good dude. I hope he still is.

I was working retail before I left for the army. He came into sign albums. Dude was sick as hell. Looked pale.

Came around and thanked everyone for helping him out. Bought us all lunch. He seemed very down to earth and sincere.

It’s bad sad to hear about his medical issues.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

And we call this amazing career move "The Kanye".

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm always kinda confused by black Christianity... It's obviously a case of Plymouth Rock landing on them. Why isn't organized religion treated more suspiciously in their communities?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Because historically, spiritualism was vitally important to their communities, and they weren't allowed to practice the beliefs of their ancestors. It filled a void where nothing else was available.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Name an African American civil rights leader (without searching online) that wasn't strongly religious Christian or Muslim.

Or talk to a African American mother about how her church and the connections she made there helped out.

-a friend of mine who is involved with an Atheist African American group.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Always the ones you medium suspect.