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[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I love how westerners consider political capture of a rogue province of Taiwan by US cool and normal. Just imagine how much foaming at the mouth there would be if Russia started backing a separatist government in Texas. I mean libs are still losing their shit over the made up Russiagate conspiracy, so I guess we don't have to imagine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Taiwan isn't exactly a rogue province. It's the holdover of the prior government of China that lost the revolutionary war and retreated there.

It doesn't entirely invalidate the point, but it has to be said that the situation is markedly different from the one with Texas.

It's more like if Texas overthrew the US government in a violent rebellion and the UK worked to support the holdover of the old US government that retreated to Puerto Rico.

Nothing that happened since has invalidated truly the right of Taiwan to remain a sovereign state. It's in no sense a rogue province.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] -5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"Taiwan never has been a sovereign state"

I guess the Republic of China never existed?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I always find it silly how Westerners have no grasp of reunification in a non-military manner.

In the same way say, France and Germany might have a unified economy or Canada and the US might have a unified culture, it's entirely possible to maintain legislative and/or budgetary independence under a unified front. In fact, that's already more-or-less true of China's governments: the proportion of government spending at the federal level is only 15% of all government spending. This includes spending for defence, science & technology, public security, public services, education, and diplomacy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, because that worked so incredibly well in the past. Just look what a great time the Tibetans had. How Hong Kong is flourishing. Tell me more about Chinas great track record when it comes to honouring it's regions independence.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

These Tibetans, that's what you're seriously trying to argue here? 🤡 https://www.historicly.net/p/tibet-china-and-the-violent-reaction

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In November, a Taiwan court heard accusations that two serving soldiers had accepted bribes from Chinese agents to record a video declaring their loyalty to China and their intention to defect in the event of a war.

The colonel was found guilty of having accepted monthly payments totalling more than half a million Taiwan dollars (£12,500) to delay his retirement for years and serve as a spy.

The ruling Chinese Communist party (CCP) claims Taiwan is a province of China, and its leader, Xi Jinping, appears to have made “reunification” a crucial component of his future legacy.

Beneath all that is an apparently extensive and well-resourced network of spies and agents of influence seeking to steal secrets, gather intelligence, sow discord and undermine Taiwan’s democracy from within.

He told the Guardian morale was being affected by relentless cognitive warfare from China, and “outdated” leadership in the ROC military, which is historically rooted in the Kuomintang party (KMT).

“A military that has lost its spiritual beliefs and honour will not have the concept of loyalty to the country and the people, and will naturally not be able to withstand the temptation of high pay across the strait,” Chen tells the Guardian.


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