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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

“You will own nothing, and you will like it.”

Lol, Not long ago I was called a right wing conspiracy nut for using that quote.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

That’s a big nope for me.

Internet goes out? I can still do some amount of work, now I need power and internet to both work to do any work at all.

Not a fan of this and I will not embrace it.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Oh my God, they're bringing back clippy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That means a whole new market of NFT Clippy Skins can be established.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That fixes the main problem with Clippy, which was not using a blockchain.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

"It looks like you're trying to defraud people. Would you like help with that?"

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Didn't read the article.

The idea of online only software irritates me. Of course multiplayer games have to work this way. When blizzard and Ubisoft started requiring an active connection for single player games that was just going too far.

Can you imagine sitting at your computer, doing literally anything. The screen goes strait to blue with the windows shutting down screen saying, "Internet disrupted, please contact your provider for support".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Or trying to do any work on the go? This whole idea is just idiotic to me.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I guess that means more people switching to linux, assuming they eventually 100% phase out non-cloud. Not even because "cloud bad" - there will be some of that, but because of the sheer number of people who don't pay for windows, not paying for it isn't an option if they control it completely.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

and I want to move fully off of windows, what a coincidence.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The situation has never been better for comfortably abandoning Windows. Come to Linux, we have penguins

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

tbh, windows user since the 90s, tried *nix desktops since the early 00s every few years. Used to have a thing where I would force myself to use it for 6 months and it would fail again and again.

In the last year, ive been using ubuntu (which i know isint the best desktop to use even) as a dev system on some of my work. Unlike in the past I am no longer finding an unreasonable delta between the user expectations in linux vs windows systems. I need to drop to a cli for both with ~ the same propensity once I do anything advanced. Not having a registry is a blessing I never thought I would be able to have in a rich visual system.

Long time .NET / Azure dev - moving to linux. After all, what do you think remote windows will run under-the-covers?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

That's a pretty similar story to mine. Used Linux pretty exclusively over a decade ago, then switched back for my gaming PC. Now that I'm back on Linux though, I don't see any reason to use windows on anything but my company PC, Linux is just better IMO now.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

No thank you.

Also I bet instead of a one-time license you can have the privilege of paying $9.99 a month forever or lose access to all your files. And possibly requiring an internet connection to use your desktop computer?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Are we doing the nobody reads the article thing here too? This isn't a replacement for Windows as an operating system, it's a cloud based version of the OS being sold to consumers. They're trying to compete with inexpensive Chromebooks, not take away your PC.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

As an occasional sys admin, they've had stuff like this for enterprise forever, it's just self hosted. This is about as surprising as the sun coming up, they've been moving lots of their enterprise tech to consumer subscriptions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Why would I read the article? I don't want to know the details. I want to be outraged.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well of course they do. They want to turn an every-few-years OS purchase into a monthly subscription fee, like they did with O365. And eventually they'll drop the ability to install apps except through their store (under the guise of providing "safety" from malicious apps), so that they can collect a commission on the third party software sales market as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The share holders they need more!!!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google tried that.

Anyway, I'll stick with Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but what happens if you don't have a good net connection like at the coffee shop or airports? I swear sometimes people are clueless and just assume you always have good internet when that's not often the case!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, you'll be able to purchase super duper satellite internet from microsoft. Or something.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

As someone who works in cloud services/ops and has to deal with Microsoft partner relations almost daily, good luck with that.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Ya I'd be fully Linux after that. Still too many benefits of having your own hardware.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Haha that will be the year of the Linux desktop, in many ways

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is this supposed to work in countries that have bandwidth caps, or slow internet connections?

It seems like every company these days wants to move everything to the cloud, but it doesn't mean it's going to happen. While something like this makes sense in some instances (like kiosks or similar maybe?) for the vast majority of use cases this is a non-starter.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't really want to switch to Linux, Microsoft, please stop pushing me to. I will, but I'd rather not. Ffs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Come over, it's nice here!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Microsoft has recently announced Windows Copilot, an AI-powered assistant for Windows 11. Windows Copilot sits at the side of Windows 11, and can summarize content you’re viewing in apps, rewrite it, or even explain it. Microsoft is currently testing this internally and promised to release it to testers in June before rolling it out more broadly to Windows 11 users.

Assuming this will use OpenAI API like other Microsoft's AI products, this is going to be expensive to operate. Subsidizing it indefinitely is surely not an option. How would Microsoft monetize it? By charging subscription like GitHub Copilot, or monetizing it somehow using users data they collected? I assume it would be the latter.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I want to move Windows fully to the Recycle Bin.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Typical loop in this case:

  • Oh, M$ is so disgusting, I never gonna switch to the new platform!

In a few months/years

  • Well, my apps/hardware are not working, time to switch anyway. Not because it's not working anymore, but because the platform is mature and I actually like it.
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm kind of confused...if the plan is to move Windows fully to the cloud, why are they talking to chipmakers about enabling more Windows features in future chip releases? Why would you need processing power for the OS if the OS is fully on the cloud?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Was already considering running Linux on my next machine. That just made it a definite. Is Mintos still the best choice for an everyday desktop?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Good luck to them. I’ve been very much enjoying Fedora since Windows 11 came out.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Moving “Windows 11 increasingly to the cloud” is identified as a long-term opportunity in Microsoft’s “Modern Life” consumer space, including using “the power of the cloud and client to enable improved AI-powered services and full roaming of people’s digital experience.”


Intel and Microsoft have even hinted at Windows 12 in recent months, and Windows chief Panos Panay claimed at CES earlier this year that “AI is going to reinvent how you do everything on Windows.” All of this is part of Microsoft’s broad Windows ambition, detailed in its internal presentation, “to enable improved AI-powered services” in Windows.

Words cannot express how much I do not want to participate in this version of the future.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

What a terrible fucking idea

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Of course they want to get as many people as possible to pay a monthly fee to use their cloud system. I'm sure they won't be going cloud only anytime soon, but they will keep making each new windows version worse than the previous one.

They won't get a single cent from me. I've been running Linux for the last 15 years. Wine, DXVK, and Proton keep getting better and I can run all of my games in Linux now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Microsoft has a track record of having excellent uptime! /s

I find it somewhat funny that this article came out on the day Microsoft 365 had an outage for most of the day.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just another case of "you will own nothing...". Come on over to Linux, where the ISOs are plentiful.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just another move toward " you will own nothing and you will be happy". Gotta resist the botnet people, Free software anarchy ftw!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Assuming this is just fancy talk for Remote Desktop to the average user and hosted by MS.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This seems odd to me, I've dabbled with Linux before but I'm generally a macos guy where the os is the free bit. Charging for an os is outdated surely?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The only difference historically is that with Mac you always pay for the OS when you pay for the computer, whereas this is usually but not always the case with Windows for home users. But all software companies are realizing that subscription models effectively hold people's files to ransom and force them to pay way more than they would for a permanent licence, and Microsoft is getting in on that.

With desktop Linux improving all the time, anyone who doesn't need Windows-specific software is better off with that.

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