I would say 100% of Hexbear posters believe Trump should be immediately summarily executed. In the mean time, though, he's a great comedic subject.

I think everyone has cleared up that we don't actually like Trump. We hate all US presidents. But i wanted to explore a real split that happened when he got elected between people who are still libs, and people like me who were libs but reevaluated my received ideology, in large part due to his election.

Trump getting elected completely invalidates everything libs believe about this country. Myth of meritocracy, shattered. The belief that the "good republicans" will come back, the faith in the electoral system, etc.smashed.

When something like that happens, a real thing happens that invalidates your world view, your ideology, there's two ways it can go. One way is reevaluating those beliefs, and the other is doubling down on them.

To double down, you have to view the real thing that happened as an abberation. It can't be integrated into your worldview it has to be refuted. So what did libs do? Immediately after the election there was, "well maybe he won't take office, the electors could save us". They retreated into a belief in their electoral system. Next they moved onto the Russian conspiracy belief, because it would expunge the record of our electoral system. "If Russian interference happened, then theres nothing wrong with the electoral process!" And they needed nothing to be wrong with the electoral process, because its the only mechanism they have that allows them to believe this is a democracy. Of course, then theres a series of things, the Mueller report/Mueller worship, the hollow ceremony of impeachment.

If you reevalute the system, you integrate reality. You realize that Trump is not an aberation. Trump is the norm, just far more grotesque. Every president is a war criminal whose purpose is to further an imperialist, white supremacist world order. It doesn't matter if they are civil, or have "merit" (whatever that means), or if they're the first black president. They're the figurehead of global system of exploitation.

For me personally, i hadn't become a communist yet, and Trump winning was something that made it clear that the recieved ideology i was operating under was clearly wrong and had to be evaluated. At some point, and for whatever reason people who become communists, or anarchists, or whatever left tendency from the starting position of received American ideology have to reevaluate the world from usually a combination of catalysts.

I think a lot of this shows why theres so much acrimony between us and libs. We invalidate their world view. The thing that allows them to believe they live in a democracy, one that is more democratic than other nations, and freer (libs may except other western nations as free, or even superior, but they chauvanistically know they are better and freer than the global south or any AES).

And many of us are frustrated because we already know what they believe is wrong, because many of us believed it! And we learned it was wrong by integrating the realities we've witnessed into our understanding of the world.

That's probably why some libs think we like Trump, because we don't share the view that he's an aberration, or uniquely bad. He's just a republican. And they can't accept that

Looking forwards to the day he dies gargling on his own lung fluids.

Also looking forwards to the day every other war-criminal-president of america gargles on their own lung fluids, which is all of them.

The ones that are already dead should be exhumed and tossed into the ocean.

EDIT: May as well throw Chomsky on the crimes of every US president here too since it's relevant.

If celebrating their deaths is too much for you then you'd hate to know that about 35% of the UK throws literal street parties every year celebrating Thatcher's slow painful death. Problem with that? Too bad. Too bad.

You liberal civility wankers have no idea what a real left looks like, and all of you would be tory shits if you lived here.

because everyone's added the very clear answer that I agree with, I'll add the bit that'll really get the reddit refugees going:

Trump is a liberal. You are closer to Trump in beliefs and actions than we are.

Serious answer: fuck no. As a trans woman, having Republicans in office is extremely scary (not a pro Democrat post at all)

He’s an accurate reflection of the sick pageantry that american politics has been. It’s funny. The same way a horrendous car accident we’ve been telling you was potentially possible is. We’re powerless to stop anything, no one listened when we warned everyone. All we can do is just laugh.

Why do you think became such a thing?

is the fly in the soup of

he kinda accidentally and effortlessly pulls back the curtain on the shit show - the 'concentration camps' on the border become 'processing centers' as soon as is in office - even though nothing materially changes

and the :LIB:s just focus on the new shiny BS that comes along in his wake, the media loves to cover him as it accelerates the diminishing attention span to any material reality

Look at what Trump did today! Get very angry about dumb orange man! Don't pay attention to how the entire hierarchy of US society created him and leverages him to maintain the status quo. Biden needs your :vote: to fix things. Don't recall that Ds had every chance to codify Roe but didn't (because that would end the 'will they/won't they' saga of abortion rights that is so lucrative for Ds).

Throughly about this since around 2016. And they keep saying 'bernie bros did this' louder and louder.

We think Biden and Trump are very similar in terms of ideology, who funds them, and whose interests they actually represent in terms of laws passed and when you ignore rhetoric.

The fact we think Biden is equally a piece of shit and respect Trump for “honestly” being a corrupt a piece of shit makes it look like we support Trump.

Trump is funnier than Biden and more authentic. Authentic doesn’t mean honest, it means he doesn’t pretend he is other than he is.

Additionally Trump acknowledges that the neoliberal establishment doesn’t represent the interests of the people, and he’s completely right about that. So we join Trump in pointing out that obvious fact but that’s like joining Trump in saying the sky is blue when the Dems are saying it’s a shade of magenta.

Trump is a patriarchal fascist who defends the interests of capital just as much as Biden and so we don’t support him. He’s a piece of shit. He also rejects the pretense of civility which means things might become more overtly violent under his leadership against trans gay and racial minorities which is hellah bad but only in fact a minor difference of degree when you look at the treatment of gay trans and racial minorities under any Dem. Seriously, show me the empirical statistics if you feel shocked or offended by that. So shove it with that shield.

And if you’re Syrian or Iraqi or Yemeni or Afghani etc etc etc etc etc then an isolationist protectionist like Trump is a hell of a lot better than a Biden.

They’re both bad. They’re just as bad as each other, in different ways.

Honestly I don’t want my comrades in the USA to suffer under Trump, that would break my heart, but also I want to see Trump tear this rotten mess apart.

I’m playing both sides because both sides are fucking awful.

Absolutely not. I 100% support the destruction of America

Lmao what dumbass would think communists support a right wing capitalist like Trump?

Here's a tip, not liking one corrupt capitalist doesn't mean we support the other corrupt capitalist.

Every American president is a war criminal. Trump is no exception, he just happens to be an open asshole about it. It's funny watching Libs get butthurt because instead of just bombing poor brown countries, he also insults them at the same time. Every single US president is going to hell if it exists.

It is true that the vast majority of trump praise around here is ironic, however that same irony poisoning makes them think its chill to post racist stuff because nothing matters apparently.

edit: for that matter if anyone is interested in non-hivemind answers to any questions I'm happy to oblige.

I hate Trump but, in the grand scheme of things, his foreign policy was dogshit for advancing the interests of US power projection and I am of the opinion that he was a real spanner in the works for the imperialist agenda compared to his predecessors.

You might say Trump is strays alarmingly close to fascism and I'd be inclined to agree but I'd also note that what US imperialism inflicts upon the world is much closer to fascism in practice than what Trump is like domestically and that needs to be weighed accordingly, especially given that the US is only one country.

I am not hoping for another Trump presidency. I anticipate that a second term in office for him would allow him to shift further to the right as well, which is a grim prospect.

But at the same time, I'm fairly convinced that America won't advance towards socialism much in the coming few years due to a range of internal and external factors, so I am more concerned with how US foreign policy interferes with other countries and their potential advances towards socialism.

This means that, overall, I would see a Trump win as something that bodes slightly better for the rest of the world than a Hillary or Biden win, for example. (Although admittedly it would suck somewhat more for the people living in America.)

Would I prefer Bernie or West instead? Of course.

So, do I support Trump? No, unequivocally not.

Do I think that another Trump presidency would give some respite to the rest of the world and to allow some breathing room for other countries to move towards socialism compared to someone like Biden? Likely, given his previous presidency.

In an overall sense, from the perspective of "pragmatism" and "harm reduction" (ironically two things that get used as a bludgeon to coerce the radical left into voiting blue, no matter who) I think that Trump would be slightly better from a global perspective in comparison to Biden. But I certainly wouldn't cheer for a Trump victory.

I figure this take is going to ruffle some feathers but a slightly shittier situation for the US under Trump doesn't even come close to comparing to the atrocities that US inflicted on Libya, for example, and Libyans are just as important in my consideration as Americans are. That's going to be a bitter pill for some people to swallow.

Ideally Trump would be locked up, and so would Obama and Biden and Kissenger and Bush and Jimmy Carter... but that's not on the cards, aside from Trump (lol.) I would consider a Trump win over Biden/Harris to be slightly less awful overall.

But this is like asking me if I'd rather eat a piece of shit or the equivalent volume of diarrhoea; both are absolutely awful and I'd prefer neither but one is slightly but notably less awful than the other. That doesn't mean it's not a shit option though.

Trump is a grotesque monster, but he’s hated by libs not for vile actions, but because he was rude. We don’t value civility here, so we can laugh at him when he’s funny, but he and every living American president deserves to be tried in The Hague