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This is a good time to introduce survivorship bias. You are looking at what is still there. Not what has been removed, burried or was done via dms/non public comms.

Or maybe you are right and they are just making up the toxicity remarks.

Seems more like the managers are shifting blame to both the devs and the community. The people who planned out the development timeline and didn't provide an adequate amount of time for QA and bugfixes before release are the ones ultimately responsible.

So now they're telling the paying customers to "stop being toxic to our devs" instead of taking responsibility for their decisions.

"We released a garbage unfinished game that didn't run properly and wasn't that good, but it's the players fault."

Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding what kind of commentary you were expecting.

Leading up to release as soon as the first reviews pointed out bad performance (see thread), many on Lemmy were bashing CO/Paradox for putting out a beta-stage product as if it was fully released, and Lemmings and people at large were never real fans of being unpaid QA testers for game companies.

Mind you, I love this game, and there's a lot in there that I can tell CO devs put their heart and soul in. But I see a comment or a post every now and then saying "Lemmy is becoming so toxic, like Reddit" [1] [2] [3] [4] and I'm trying to figure out what exactly has changed, if you can help me out here.

I've played CS2 for weeks. Days of hours. Have completely enjoyed it.

It's not finished and they're honest about that. Also, comparisons to CS in it's finished state (easy to do unconsciously) overlook just how many DLCs it took to get to full maturity.

I enjoy the game and have no regrets for buying. I don't feel deceived since I could have asked for as refund.

I think some of this is a specific kind of FOMO. Fear of missing out (on what could have been). I'm hoping they do enough to fix the parenthetical.

Edit to add: my computer has great specs for late 2020. It's not top of the line, but it has everything I thought it would need, CPU, RAM, GPU. That may impact my experience.

The game was unplayable on my 5 year old laptop. But it's not really a gaming rig anyhow...

Its the internet though. I don't know of a place on the internet where there's no toxicity.

It’s becoming Reddit. Which is what we wanted last year? I know what you mean though. There is a difference between now and then with our community. Probably related to user count?

Players: "your game doesn't work. It's riddled with bugs. It has serious performance issues and doesn't run on most hardware. It lacks modding support as well as basic features that were present in the previous game"

Devs:

If there’s one thing to take from this, it’s that the toxicity just needs to be directed at those actually responsible. Not the devs, but at corporate forcing the game to release early.

They're not complaining about negative feedback, are they? They're complaining about the internet hate machine, which we should be mature enough here to admit is a bunch of juvenile, masturbatory bullshit from people that want to feel good about themselves without doing anything to actually earn that, and so just shit mercilessly in every way on anything they don't like, because bullying others is a quick and easy way to feel strong for a brief time.

That's more than mere negative criticism.

There was no way the game was going to be better in every way, the previous game was being worked on for the better part of a decade.

You, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder, disorder?

That is entirely not an excuse to be an arsehole to someone you don't even know and for all you do could be your own sibling. The point exactly, btw.

It's how toxic people "justify" their own toxicity so they don't have to realize they're the asshole.

I'm with you, that studio brought the Sims sales model into the new era. The only people who actually play all their content are either wealthy losers or pirates. Nothing is more unwelcoming than a small closed off community.

The statement still asks for criticism but asks for it to be polite.

You can say something is bad without sounding like an asshole.

Have they even given a timeframe for when mods will release because I haven't seen them say anything about it since launch, I'm assuming because another team is developing it.

Whatever complaint you got about the game, saying that anyone « deserves toxicity » is not the clever take you think it is.

On one hand people can be jerks, on the other hand there definetaly is a trend of releasing broken games with a 'patch it later' mentality.

Its kind of hard to take a side because people being assholes isn't the solution but remaining civil is just going to encourage the behaviour and we'll get even more broken releases.

Public gaming is toxic by default. We’re not talking one person playing with their friend group, we’re talking gaming in the wild. Yeah, there’s gonna be exceptions, but the vast majority is mockery, lashing out, trolling, superiority and the like. I’ve disabled in game chats and voice for more than a decade because I’m sick of the BS.

So it’s not “happening” as a change, this is its normal state.

That's what they are doing... The marketing team cannot handle their game being returned so they call the community toxic. Career suicide imo

I simply can't believe that they released the game in this unfinished state. Early access or a public beta would be understandable, but you just don't release a half-finished product promising to deliver the remaining stuff later.

The Minecraft way where you continually provide upgrades for your game can obviously work, but in that case, the game is cheaper and the upgrades are free. If they were going that route, CS2 should have been a free upgrade of CS1 with all the features of the previous product and nobody would've complained.

If you buy another full product, you expect another full product.