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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Hey folks! I'm getting a fresh laptop for the first time in about a decade (Framework 16) in a couple of months and am looking forward to doing some low-level tinkering both on the OS and hardware. I'm planning to convert into a "cyberdeck" with quick-release hinges for the screen since I usually use an HMD, built-in breadboard, and other hardware hacking fun.

On the OS, I'm planning to try NixOS as a baremetal hypervisor (KVM/QEMU) and run my "primary" OSes in VMs with hardware passthrough. If perf is horrible, I'll probably switch back to baremetal after a bit. But, I'm not likely going to be gaming on it so, I'm not likely to have much issue.

Once the hypervisor is working in a manner that I like, I should have an easy time backing up, rolling back, swapping out my "desktop" OS. I've been using Linux as my pretty much my only OS for over a decade (I use MacOS as a glorified SSH client for work). Most of my time has been on distros in the Debian or RHEL families (*buntu, Linux Mint, Crunchbang, CentOS, etc) and I pretty much live in the terminal these days.

With all of this said, I am coming to you folks for help. I would like you folks to share distros, desktop environments, window managers that you think I should give a try, or would like to inflict on me and what makes them noteworthy.

I can't guarantee that I'll get through suggestions, as my ADHD has been playing up lately, but I'll give it an attempt. Seriously. If you want me to try Hannah Montana Linux, I'll do it and report back on the experience.

EDIT: Thank you all for your fantastic suggestions. I'm going to start compiling them into a list this weekend.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Hyprland DE is the new hotness

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

"yes, I do believe that there could be arguments to sway my opinion towards genocide."

Wow.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yikes. What is it about Hyperland that attracts these kinds of people?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

from what I've read it's rather the lack of moderation (due to the dev's views) that doesn't reject them. similar situation to the Nazi bar.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you're a tinkerer it's kind of addicting. I thought I'd give it a try just to see what it was like, and ended up staying up all night customizing it, and now about a month later I don't really want to go back to KDE (been using KDE for almost 20 years)

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's one that I've been that I've been meaning to give a shot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

It’s great but still really unstable. I’ll be sticking with Sway / DWM for a bit longer.

However, it looks promising.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Must try distros: Fedora, Mint, Void. But seriously, if you are using Nix to begin with, why use anything else? Nix is as good as it gets. If you really want to do a combo, I would recommend Fedora or Mint using Nix as just the package manager and not the hypervisor. All distros are basically the same nowadays.

Must try desktop environments: Xfce, Cinnamon, Gnome, KDE Plasma

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I've never really Fedora or Void. Will definitely try those.

Of your DEs, I think KDE is the only one that I've not used significantly. I need to fix that. I think MATE deserves a place there too.

ETA: As for why not just Nix or Nix as a package manager? I've become accustomed to being in VMs all of the time and really like the way that doing so impacts how I interact with a system and extra capabilities provided.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Try those but also wanted to say enlightenment. I don't even know if it still exists. If it does, give a try.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

You know what? Yeah. I've wanted to try that product of schizophrenic mania for a while.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

I'm really looking forward to Plasma 6 and Cinnamon just had a pretty good release do there's a couple for you :)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

I am so glad that Cinnamon has been going strong. It made Gnome 3 a lot less painful.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully by the time OP gets his laptop, the wayland session will be almost complete

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

For a totally different experience, and if you ever want to spin up a distro in a "container" there's BlendOS https://blendos.co/

I'm an Arch user so I'm sort of staying where I am but am always open to ideas, so I tried Blend a while back. As said on this page for the distro: https://itsfoss.com/immutable-linux-distros/

"In other words, you can install any package on the distro (RPM, DEB, etc.) while getting the immutability and update reliability as one would expect."

That pretty much describes it and I recall, it did well. I also tried this one which is touted to be AI enhanced and feels more like they are making good progress: https://www.makululinux.com https://www.linuxinsider.com/story/new-makululinux-release-brings-ai-to-the-max-177104.html

To get the AI to the max, you need to pay a fee, but It's all in the name of supporting development.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

My #1 distro recommendation would be Fedora Atomic (immutable Fedora variants).

It's still a bit "underground" and hasn't reached huge popularity yet, but I see its potential that it will very soon.

I have ADHD too and Fedora Atomic is a lifesaver. Why?

  • You can "distrohop" anytime you want by rebasing. With that, you basically swap out the OS with something else (examples will follow), but keep your data and some settings. If you are on Fedora Workstation (Gnome) and want to have KDE, installing and removing those packages is a huge huge mess. On the OSTree variant, it's just one command, 5 minutes of waiting, and bam, you have a clean install. I do that all the time.
  • Less bugs and better security by reproducibility. Every install is the same.
  • Very quick rollbacks if something did go wrong. You can't brick your OS, which I did a lot before.
  • Huge choice. See at universal-blue.org , it provides vanilla images with some quality of life changes, as well as custom ones, including "unsupported" DEs and spins, e.g. a gaming distro. They aren't forks per se, they are basically build scripts and maintain themselves, which is why they're always up to date and way better than Nobara for example.
  • Distrobox pre-installed: you can just create an Arch container and use the AUR from it. So you don't need to run (and troubleshoot) Arch on bare metal, but can comfortably benefit from all great things Arch provides
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Similarly OpenSuse Aeon. A Benefit of Suse is the greater portability of the tooling.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

XFCE with Compiz as the compositor

Or just straight Compiz

Make sure you enable all the funny effects like the cube, cube animations, 3D windows, advanced window animations, transparency effects, sky box, etc.

All easy to do with compiz config manager.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's a name that I've not heard in a long time. Wasn't aware that Compiz was still active. It was my favorite compositor until the Gnome 3 switch.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

If you are an advanced linux user then I would suggest giving a try to the following distros: arch, void, gentoo and (like you said in the post) nixOS.

The reason behind is that this distros are focused on the tinkering aspect of linux, the experience of setting up everything the way you want.

If you want to give a shot to WMs I would suggest i3, sway, dwm, dwl, river, bspwm, Qtile and hyperland (maybe focus more on the Wayland ones if you want to try the latest software).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Apparently you can already try Cosmic on NixOS

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

I wouldn't recommend specific ones, but I would recomnend you try out distros with unique features. Such as an immutable one, one that is built from source, one with packages, one with snap, one with flatpack, etc.

This will help you understand and evaluate what you like.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Don't know if it is a must-try, but LXQt has come a long way. The file browser is excellent. Everything is fast and snappy and very traditional (start button, system tray, etc.). Runner up I guess.

You can run Alpine as a desktop. The Edge branch. New software, got what you need, installs and updates fast.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Alpine as a desktop? Now that's weird and I'll have to give that a go.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

It's easy. After running setup-alpine and rebooting with a bar install there is built-in script setup-desktop that lets you install Gnome, Plasma or Xfce.

You can find install scripts like Alpine Suck around the web https://git.sr.ht/~bt/alpine-suck

Or check out the wiki for other inspiration https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Category:Desktop

If you use Edge, I would recommend subscribing to the user mailing list though, just in case.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (11 children)

I'm slightly biased, but if you already know a bit of Linux and desire more control / customisation, or want to understand how a system is put together, then I highly recommend Gentoo Linux. The install process is pretty simple, and with the new binary package hosts you have the option of quickly installing precompiled packages to get a system installed or up-to-date.

The USE flags on packages, combined with portage the package manage enable an unparalleled level of configurability, the community is welcoming and respect user choice about how they want to configure / use their system, and the documentation on the wiki is top notch - I'd say better than the arch wiki in terms of quality overall.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Lol I vote for nixos on nixos 😹

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What is your actual personal use case, all you mention is a terminal, which every distro will support, likely with many different choices as to terminal options?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Beyond the usual browsing I'll mainly be doing tinkering with hardware, gateware, firmware, CAD, art, projects that I may or may not finish, and the like. It's going to be my "everything but playing video games" machine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I'm assuming you're running a Ryzen 7040 series then. No kernel support for the FPGA yet.

Also, Linux is great for gaming. Not sure why you'd limit yourself there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I'm assuming you're running a Ryzen 7040 series then. No kernel support for the FPGA yet.

Honestly, I wasn't aware that they had included a fabric. That's really awesome, whether it is supported yet or not. I have a couple of dev boards and intend to build a board with a previous gen Xilinx chip that can fit in the expansion bay.

Also, Linux is great for gaming. Not sure why you'd limit yourself there.

100% agreed. However, I already have a Steam Deck and console, so, it's more that gaming is already covered by other devices than thinking the system is not capable. I'm intending to take advantage of the modularity to turn the laptop into a platform more physically spacialized for tinkering.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Every linux enthusiast should try Qubes at least once. The architecture is totally different, vastly more secure in many ways than most Linux distros. It's definitely not for everybody, but if privacy and security rank high on your priority list it's worth a look. It never ends up in Linux top ten lists for some reason, but it's an incredible OS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Forget a DE, sounds like you need a WM. Definitely check out some tiling options like i3 or sway, especially since you spend so much time in the terminal.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not quite your setup but I run Debian stable KDE with KVM.

I am also using distrobox to run applications in containers. It’s nice having arch/ubuntu/fedora/gentoo software running in a container and the application gets exposed to you stable environment. Another option is Bedrock Linux to look at

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

That's absolutely my thought. Having a rock solid system close to the metal that doesn't really get touched is something that I've become used to from work. It gives a lot more insurance against having to do as many re-installs and maximizes compatibility.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Some great newer tech distros would be Fedora Silverblue, or if you like Debian, there is VanillaOS. They are immutable distros, and they introduce a new way of using Linux. I like to pair it with distrobox, which lets you use regular Linux applications in a container.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

|Original | free version to try|

|Debian|PureOS|

|Ubuntu|Trisquel|

| | Guix |

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

While I don't have much experience using nixos as a hypervisor I do have a few years experience using Proxmox on top of Debian. Managing multiple VMs and backups are very straightforward with Proxmox. As for your daily driver VM, the skies the limit, well mostly your HDD space is the limit. I've realized that after trying a ton of different distros the only real difference is the package manager and the preinstalled software.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I love Proxmox, especially with CEPH as backing storage for VMs. I've never thought about it as a local hypervisor. Might be worth a try, if I don't like NixOS.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Coreboot. As low level as you probably get. Embedded secure element OS maybe

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I'd say try anything (except debian) with hyprland, it's the dream of anyone who wants to customize their desktop experience.

As for non-standard distros, try Alpine, Void or if you have a lot of time, Gentoo.

As for distros I'd actually recommend, try fedora or any of it's spins

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