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Quite a few posts about selecting a distro to use. Maybe it's time to make that link a little more prominent?

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

Oh boy here we go again

Distrochooser is not a good resource for newbies IMO. There are too many questions, many of which are misleading or hard to understand (NOBODY taking this knows what systemd is)

Many answers are misleasing: "I want a distro that is supported by game publishers" for example implies each distro has its own game compatibility, this is NOT the case.

And when you're finally done it recommends too many distros, many of which are irrelevant, niche, or flat out not recommended anymore (PCLinuxOS?!?!)

When someone asks for a distro, please just run a random number generator to choose between ZorinOS, PopOS, or Linux Mint. If someone is only gaming, maybe include Nobara too.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I vote for a random linux bot!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It would actually be pretty effective. Just have it return one of the mainstream distros and be done.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

Style it like a Tux slot machine. Click on the raised wing to pull it down and let the reels roll, stopping on the perfect distro for you!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Exactly! Many of the criteria included aren't all that good for new users, and neither are the suggestions. It's not really a good resource for experienced users either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Exactly. If you have to ask this sort of question, the answer is those three. Everything else is just confusing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

One of us could probably put that together pretty quickly lol

But if we did want to build a new distro recommender... Maybe there are like 5 or so questions that would be relevant.

Just off the top of my head some possibilities:

If you're a beginner, Mint is a good choice. One could argue Ubuntu (noobs don't gaf about snap if they even know what it is). I think noobs would want good GUI tools and a very popular, very polished distro. So issues are infrequent but finding answers is easy.

Into gaming? There's a few distros that come up like Nobara. (I've seen Manjaro mentioned but idk).

If you want something that looks kinda like macos there's Endeavor. Does anyone recommend that one these days? I don't usually see it mentioned.

Idk.

You're probably right, an rng that chooses between a few distros might be better lol

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You mixed up Endeavor with Elementary OS, Endeavpr is an arch based distro that you can choose several DE's or WM's witj

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

mistakes happen :)

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

Distrochooser says following about fedora

  • Not suitable for beginners
  • Requires further knowledge about computers

Without any context. Distrochooser is a fun little game but you shouldn't rely on it or quote it.

Moreover, it would be nice if there was any hint about the choices.

Most distributions are free. Some distributions offer additional support for a one-time fee.

  • I prefer a free-to-use distribution
  • I would be fine to pay a fee

Show which distros are free as in beer and which are not.

And more importantly, you pay a fee for support. If you are a home user you most likely do not need paid support.

That avoiding systemd is even a choise is nuts

I want to avoid systemd

Yes, there are people who avoid systemd but thhere's nothing to fear about systemd and this topic shouldn't be brought up.

Linux can use a lot of different User Interfaces ("Desktops"). Many distributions ship one desktop as default. It is important to know if you have any preferences for a desktop concept. You can switch and install new desktops at any time!

And the answers are windows or mac. Please go away from that mantra. Many would say GNOME is macish but GNOME's workflow is different from macos. It is not macos and it doesn't want to be macos, afaik. GNOME's workflow is revolutionary and saying it's like mac isn't nice. Neither is KDE windows, it breaks with microsoft design choices.

Asking 32 or 64 bit is outdated. Which computer even ships 32 now

Where does following question lead me?

How would you rate your knowledge of Linux itself? I have little or no knowledge about Linux I have already used Linux for some purposes I have a good understanding about the Linux operating system

Fedora is for everyone. Linux mint is used by everyone. Opensuse is used by everyone. Arch is used if you want to go deeper. Nixos is maybe not plug and play. Even if you are a linux pro, you may use ubuntu. It just doesn't feel right.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That avoiding systemd is even a choise is nuts

I really want to know what the crossover is on people who know what systemd is, much less have any actual reason to decide they wish to actively avoid it, and those who would find this the best way of determining their next distro. That has to be a vanishingly small group of people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Deceptive list that appears to include only distros that don't package systemd at all. A distro can offer more than one init system. For instance, Gentoo defaults to OpenRC but offers systemd as an option for users who want it for whatever reason. It isn't on that list.

(But I agree that if you know what systemd is and that you don't want it, you're not using Distrochooser. You're not looking up your next distro in Wikipedia, either.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Keep in mind that you are an experienced user of linux.

This site is probably about people who are both inexperienced, and also may not have time to adequately learn the system the way you have.

And no, as someone who has gone through Fedora, Mint, and Arch, saying they're for "everyone" just assumes everyone is going to use linux the same way you do. Which is a huge mistake. Arch didn't even have a normal installer up until a year ago, the process even with the arch wiki guide is completely unwieldy for most users to do. Many distros disable popular codecs by default, which a lot of users wouldn't have the patience for. Some will have Nvidia drivers for up to date for gaming, and some won't.

And most of all, you're also running new users into the choice dilemma, where there's so many options they just won't know what to pick.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Good points.

Sry for not being clear enough. Arch is for someone who wants to go deeper into linux. I'd never recommend arch for new users,

If someone was able to add a printer to windows, she's able to add codecs to linux.

I understand your point, yet (e.g.) fedora doesn't hide codecs, they are just not preinstalled. Could it be better? Yes. But it's not like it was unsuitable.

Imo the choice dilemma isn't really a dilemma. If you choose any of the 5 or 10 big distros, you are good to go. Neither is a really bad choice. Oftentimes it's just the default that's not perfect. But as soon as you're on one distro, a default value is no reason to switch distros.

Btrfs, snapper, immutability, etc. those are reasons to switch, not the default values.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

While I get why distrochooser.de is romanticized, in its current iteration it's simply not very good and anyone that is somewhat well-versed in how different distros operate and how Distrochooser works, will tell you the same. At best, it provides some orientation into what some of the more common distros are. But it fails to answer some fundamental questions in the process; like:

  • What is the relation between a distro and its derivative and (more importantly) how does that matter to a user?
  • How exactly does a distribution's chosen release model affect software and updates? And while we're into that, what's even the difference between the "stable" used when talking about point release distros that opt to freeze packages over longer periods of time vs the "stable" that's brought up in conversations regarding update concerns and how they might break software (I'm honestly not even sure if the one(s) responsible for writing the parts of Distrochooser even know(s) themselves)^[1]^.

There are a lot of other fundamental questions that are involved in the decision for picking a distro that would have made a lot more sense than the ones found on Distrochooser. E.g. Do you use an Nvidia GPU and want this to cause no issues in the process of installation and is this your biggest concern? If yes: then just use Pop!_OS. Otherwise, move on to the other questions etc. I think the fact that a flowchart isn't used for some uses and that ultimately priorities aren't brought up to finalize the decision are the two biggest issues that Distrochooser has in its current iteration.

And we haven't even gone over the many distros that despite having little to no user base are still included in the results, while (more recent) 'staples' like Garuda and Nobara are clearly left out for reasons most likely related to the maintainers not being able to keep up with the Linux landscape. Which, to be fair, is quite hard; so I don't blame them. I, in fact, applaud them for their continued contributions and hope that some day it will become something that we can proudly present to others for their first orientation.

Allow me to end this with a question to OP:

  • Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?^[2]^
    • If yes; Why didn't you make a similar post for either of the two instead?
    • If no; Why not?

  1. Sure, there is some overlap in what they mean and how they're used, but it's a very important distinction; otherwise openSUSE's stable rolling release designation for their Tumbleweed wouldn't make any sense.
  2. If anything, I think these two actually make more sense to be included.
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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago

In addition, to what everyone has already said, Distrochooser is just bad. It will often pull the stupid card, like this one:

Screenshot of distrochooser website, saying that being fine with telemetry contradicts your preference for running applications containerised

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Let's not. It's not a good tool.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What if we put together a table like https://github.com/basings/selfhosted-music-overview or https://github.com/meichthys/foss_photo_libraries ?

If one starts, I bet we can create an awesome table.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That's the biggest problem.

  1. Determine which festures are relevant to a user
  2. Actualy differences between distributions

A difference could be ufw and firewalld but is that important?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

At first I was with this but the first set of questions is so stupid that I can't see that being a good idea.

Somebody just code up a bot that picks a random mainstream distro everytime somebody asks "what distro should I use?"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It recommends obviously wrong choices like Tails

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

I just took it favoring a daily driver for gaming and every distro it gave had either didn't work, isn't optimized for, or requires additional config for gaming.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

wat? got a screenshot or a link to the result?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No matter what I choose, I have to scroll literally to at least half or the end of the page to see Tails. Congrats on finding it in the list, I guess?

CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

I like distro chooser, but the analysis seems off. It always recommends some mainstream distro that I end up hating after extended use. I've finally found one I like, but it was through brute force, not from some list somewhere or from asking in forums.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Distro chooser is bad, so nah

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