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Has anybody else experienced this? Ever since Lemmy was upgraded to 0.19, all of my sweet internet points are gone. I know you're not supposed to care about that, nevertheless am I the only one?!

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I'm not sure the original designers of LEMMY believe you are supposed to be able to see your karma "score". It's not available in the web interface, and I think that's on purpose. IDK for sure, but Karma may be detrimental to the quality of debate. Also making it into a popularity contest may also be detrimental to your enjoyment of being here. Personally I find the lack of a karma score relieving. Just relax and have a good time.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's really good. Karma is incentive to do stupid stuff like karma farming bots that just spam old top posts over and over etc..

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Karma was also a really handy tool for mods to keep away bots and trolls.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is it really, though? Even if karma wasn't ridiculously easy to get in the first place, Reddit has karma sharing communities for the sole purpose of users and bots upvoting each other to get around karma restrictions.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Yes, it really was. It wasn't perfect for the reasons you describe, but it certainly was a useful extra tool.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

When mod tools are available, I believe that problem will be solved as well.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

First, I doubt that. Even with all the tooling available for mods on Reddit, being able to access a user's overall karma or subreddit karma was really useful for moderating. Including the tools accessing that karma count.

But secondly, and perhaps more importantly, even if that weren't true, and future mod tooling for Lemmy was going to magically solve the problem, removing that tool now is pretty poor. Better to leave it and remove it only once it is no longer necessary.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, you do have a point there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I agree completely that this can have negative impact on discussions, stimulate karma farming etc. So I'm all for it to hide it. Would be nice though to completely skip it from the UI (of in this case Boost).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I'm sure it'll get removed. Voyager used to have it and I was shocked it disappeared a couple months ago in preparation for 0.19. Now it just shows post and comment counts.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Lemmy has karma? Nah, keep up votes and down votes but don't make it some accumulation number. That's what drives enshitification. Turning that data into something accumulative right on the user's profile causes click click phone dopamine seekers to then fuel that to behavior in social settings with apps because it gets th internet point dopamine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago

I have fond memories of "competing" for high post counts back on forums, which just came down to talking a lot and easy wins like "what are you listening to" threads.

Anyway yeah, the thing you don't want already exists here. It's not the end of the world if some people want to chase a number.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

It's not tracked anymore as of 0.19 ("don't serialize karma"). Lemmy dev dessalines talks about how it's being removed (and should've been removed sooner) here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Oh huh, didn't notice the value got zeroed out on Boost

I guess that's cool, the UI will need time to catch up

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago

Lemmy points were never supposed to be cumulative, you're just using some app that did it themselves until whatever they used to gather the data changed.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They're moving to remove karma as it's toxic and unimportant. Most just show your post/comment count now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But how will we know who is better than who...? I don't want to have to go back to judging people by their physical characteristics again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

You can discriminate them based on their instance, in a lemmy-esque twisted version of nationalism

[–] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Oh no. Won't someone think of the imaginary internet points?!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

I belive the total karma display was removed in 0.19. It now only shows the amount of posts and comments you created.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

All that grind for nothing. What will your friends think of you now?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Have no idea how to check this in Jerboa.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Jeroba never had the option to do so. In my experience only those apps that were used for reddit before had the ability to check karma.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Oh, cool... I've never thought of checking that anyway.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I never found an option in sync either. Not claiming it never had, just I never saw it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

There was, for a short period.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Did you censor your own cake day?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

you could jump to a different platform... kbin/mbin still expose 'reputation points'

maybe not every platform will be so.. conservative

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Cool instance bro