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Source: https://tfviews.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1667

Also, some background:

So, Simon Furman is a writer of Transformers comics who has some obvious issues when it comes to women and gender. He has publicly stated that Transformers shouldn't have a gender (despite almost all of them having male voices and pronouns), and had previously explained the origin of Arcee (a girl Autobot) as she was created by the Autobots to appease angry feminists, which is absolutely bizarre. After this, in the 2000s someone had the bright idea to let this guy write a whole story centered around her, and what he came up with then was even worse. According to what he wrote, she was kidnapped and had a forced gender reassignment against her will, which made her go insane and turn violent. So, he basically replaced a misogynistic origin story with one that is both misogynistic and transphobic. Mairghread Scott, a later Transformers comic writer, made a good attempt at salvaging that dumpster fire while trying to maintain some level of continuity. She made a post about it not even calling this guy out directly, and of course he takes it personally and freaks out, which is what that forum discussion is about.

Yeah yeah, this is all extremely nerdy and there are probably much more important things I could be doing with my time, but I just thought this... uh... Transformers redpill sort-of-eugenics rant was amusing and wanted to share.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (2 children)

All this over a cartoon that was created for no reason other than to sell plastic toys.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

How dare you say that! Cartoon robots are srs bsns.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

The guy who designed the toys intended Megatron to be the good guy lmao.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Transformers, in every continuity, are created beings with a purpose in mind.

The implication, of course, is that only males have a purpose.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Or I think maybe the implication is that the sole purpose of women is reproduction, and since Transformers don't reproduce biologically, there's no point in having Transformers who are women

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Hardly an either/or thing. Man strong, man have purpose. Woman weak, woman make baby. No baby, no purpose.

Also, definitely male default too. In the beginning there was man and then god made woman from man, etc.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

I thought the purpose was to move a continually cycling cast of toys.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

The "Transformers Generation XXX" is gonna be really hard to watch isn't it?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Transformers have guns tho

A larger frame stopped being an advantage with the invention of the gun

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

a bigger body is still physically better for running fast or storing fuel or holding bigger guns

especially for a giant robot that can't be OHKO'd by a .22

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

There's very much a balance to be found. There's a reason we stopped developing super heavy tanks after WWII and started focusing on multi-role tanks.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Fair enough, but it's not like there's no niche for lighter, faster, harder to hit combatants either

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This guy is either extremely gay or an incel, no in between

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Personally I think it's the latter

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I too, like a woman who is burly and ready for combat. free-real-estate

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Big Bad Beetle Borgs was better

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

It's such a weird argument. Like sure, human females generally build muscle slower than human males due to lower levels of testosterone, but why would that affect bots? If they wanted to build a female Transformer and put more "muscle" on her, they could just...do that? What's stopping them from building two genders of bots with different frames, voices, and pronouns, but otherwise the same specs?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I think Mairghread Scott came out and said she'd privately discussed the issue with Simon Furman after this kerfuffle, and that they'd come to an understanding.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Anything alien that looks like a human is overtly just a vehicle for telling human stories.

In this case, a vehicle like a big-ass truck or a sick jet.