All of this could have been avoided if western powers and Ukraine actually implemented Minsk and Ukraine chose neutrality. And then there was a second chance to avoid this back in March which US and UK ensured wouldn't happen. Now we're inching closer to WW3 each and every day.
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@yogthos All of this could have been avoided if Russia would have not invaded a sovereign nation for land-grabbing purposes.
Do you actually believe that the only reason Russia attacked was for "land-grabbing purposes", or do you just say that to argue with people on the internet?
@DerPapa69 Let's imagine Zelensky disappears overnight. And now there is Yanukovych or other Kremlin-loyal person heading Ukraine. Do you think Russia will return Crimea, Donbass, southern Ukraine to Kyiv control? Lands that are already annexed by Russia? Do you think any sane Ukrainian thinks that? Do you think Putin will pull out its troops from Ukraine if this happens? Do you think any sane Ukrainian does that?
The longer the war goes on, the less Ukraine there will be left in the end. It's as simple as that.
Same is true for Russia. Except US corporate ghouls are already lining up to rebuild Ukraine. Who will do that for Russia? China? Don't make me laugh.
First of all, the same is not true for Russia at all. Even western media admits that the war isn't actually costing Russia all that much, and that Russian economy is actually projected to grow while EU is already in recession. And yeah, China as well as the rest of Asia has replaced all the trade Russia was doing with the west at this point. The only thing laughable here is that people could be so ignorant not to know the basic facts of the situation.
CSTO is dead in the water, Russia has officially denied military aid to member states at war. Kazakhstan is warming up to China and the EU. Russia lost more than 2000 tanks. A sizeable portion of its navy is defunct. It has had to mobilize conscripts. No matter how they put nice numbers out, it does cost Russian society a lot. Even if you don't count anything else, even by conservative estimates, 50000 Russian men are dead.
Saying that the war barely cost anything to Russia is an affront to their memory. Those are 50000 people with families, dreams, kids who will never see them again because Russia apparently needs a "sphere of influence".
Also, the EU is not in recession, Germany is by some counts, other states are doing fine. The war is not in the top 3 discussed issues in my EU country right now, it comes right after farmer subsidies, housing prices and whether we can all continue working from home.
Also, just to put it in perspective, Russia's economy is around the same size as Italy's. It can grow a lot until it will be a match for Germany, let alone the EU or the US.
This alternate universe you inhabit sounds fascinating.
First, EU is very much in recession, and the situation is only getting worse https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/euro-zone-enters-recession-after-germany-ireland-growth-revision.html
Also, Russia's economy is absolutely not the size of Italy, and it's frankly incredible that anybody actually believes that https://nationalinterest.org/feature/can-we-please-stop-comparing-russia%E2%80%99s-economy-italy%E2%80%99s-206404
And the only study done in western media that actually shows any methodology only managed to account for 16k losses, so not sure where you're pulling your numbers from, presumably same place you got your 2k tanks figure https://kyivindependent.com/news-feed/media-public-data-suggests-over-16-000-russian-soldiers-have-been-killed-during-first-year-of-all-out-war
There are plenty haunting, disturbing and inhumane videos of Ukraine Nazis doing stuff like painting blood swastikas on the bare chests of dead Russian women. But I guess your account's main purpose is to smear neoliberal dogshit on this site.
painting blood swastikas on the bare chests of dead Russian women
Mostly fake ofc
But I guess your account's main purpose is to smear neoliberal dogshit on this site.
Exactly right
Unlike a European propagandist like you, we are a little more focused on facts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LQSYmda0Sc
@TheAnonymouseJoker Women with swastika painted on chests, children burnt on stakes by Nazis and other sick fantasies that Kremlin has, yea, I know, Russia has gotten Eastern Europeans like me so sick of that is not that hard to guess what this is.
I do thank you, however, for making me be aware of Patrick Lancaster another Kremlin propagandist, Russia-lover that also appeared in Alex Jones's Infowars back in the day. Seems like this is not his first attempt at filming fake IED explosions and exploited cadavers and being like "oh, look what these nazi Ukrainians do there, we gotta stop them!"
Citing Vice and Bellingcat as your sources really, really outs you, @[email protected]. The sick fantasies that white Europeans have really opened my brains, which once used to think Europe might have some hope of being better than genocidal USA.
I thank you for opening my eyes to increase my distrust in Europeans, as an Indian, and to become aware of how far you people can go in maligning people that historically (and even now) work so hard against Nazism in this world. I will never forget how all non-blueeyes-blondehair people were pushed out when people were going to European countries as refugees during the start of Ukraine conflict.
Remember this Kremlin propaganda? https://twitter.com/non_philosophy/status/1498000420815396872
https://twitter.com/non_philosophy/status/1498000420815396872
Yea, that's unfortunate, I believe both Ukraine, Afghanistan and Iraq are some war ravaged countries whose people need help regardless of their organ's color (skin, hair, eye, you name it). I was in for supporting Syrian refugees back then, the same way I am in for supporting the Ukrainian ones now, and it sucks seeing people making comparisons like these. However, I cannot see how this makes Bellingcat, and even Vice, that is one of the most progressive leaning news outlets out there, unreliable, especially due to racism problems.
used to think Europe might have some hope of being better than genocidal USA
Just go to Russia, mate, in Russia there is no racism, everyone is allowed to protest, you've got free elections that ensure rotating power over the course of the years, there's no homophobia unlike in the West, they are the most progressive nation on Earth. Just go there and let us be genocidal with ourselves if that's your thing.
Oh yes casual blanket discrimination of EVERYONE that is not a blue eyes blonde hair should be handwaved, because it must be an anomaly to treat rest of the world as subhumans by you and your Anglosphere.
Your little rant about Russia is very funny, because it is exactly what happens in USA, Canada and European countries. However, Russia does not engage in institutionalised discrimination the way Anglosphere imperialism does, or support for or commit genocides and foreign interventions to install their own puppets, or use their media to manipulate global discourse by carefully crafted everyday life propaganda aimed at the proletariat to suck them dry of their capital and revolutionary ability.
Anglosphere should probably just go commit genocide on each other if all they can do is commit genocide, because they clearly cannot think of anything along the lines of communism. All you folks can do is tax fund your genocidal overlords, and eat pizzas/burgers/baguettes on the couch and watch Netflix/HBO and cry bullshit on Twitter and parrot whatever NATO media tells you to. I almost forgot to say this, that media parroting includes (not even neo fascist or neo Nazi) straight up Nazi slogans and Nazi symbols and signs.
Go commit some revolution and overthrow your governments if you believe one shred in your human rights gibberish. Maybe it can atone for the sin of parroting the dehumanising narrative on Russia.
Wow you figured out that Europe is kinda racist? I am shocked.
I posted that last year on this site.