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Why are some people here on fuckcars still debating on what the best car is ? I mean, most of the time the best car is no car.

edit : that was a genuine question. I wasn't expecting such wrath from car enthusiasts.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You can like cars and also acknowledge that their over-use is detrimental to having a healthy and happy society. I would consider myself a car enthusiast, and I even work in the auto-industry but I can see the issues as well.

Additionally, even though I like cars I also like commuting by bike and have always felt bitter that I can't do it safely.

There are lots of reasons car enthusiasts want change too. We're allies more than you realize

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Just because I am able to live without one currently. It does not mean that everyone is able. I am not saying fuck all cars, just that we need to get them off our planet pretty soon for the benefit of all people. So currently for me Fuck Cars is just Fuck all Cars that are useless and not needed! Some people need cars and probably don't like it too! For me personally this communtiy is to rant about cars and why they suck for us all. Giving ideas for better world without cars and showing people that love cars that there are good reasons to hate them too.

I understand what you see, seems bad for you but thats currently how the world is. A bit fucked up. But we all try to change it to a better place and I think that is great and why I love communities like this one (:

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I wanted to drop in and say thank you for being respectful and making a genuine attempt at communicating your ideas, is baffling to me how vile people are being to a basic question of the movement.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Because you can support the idea that cars are bad for society as a whole, and still live within a society that depends on cars. People may want to discuss the car that is the least harmful to civilization while still enabling them to get to and from work.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

When I was younger my brother became vegan and he was such a prick about it that he poisoned the discourse in our family for years. A couple of years later I tried to get the family on board with only eating meat 4 days a week to limit consumption for the environment but at that point my brother had killed any good faith engagement and moved out. I am fairly certain that him being vegan has led to more animals being killed because than if he just kept eating meat because he was just too toxic

OP is like my brother. Everyone should ignore him because he is probably twelve and a narcissist that doesn't know that you need to meet people where they are at. The sooner people like him gets ejected from the movement the less damage they will do.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What the fuck man... Reread your comment and count to 10, then reread OPs post and consider if this reply isn't toxic as hell.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are saying that they need a car because society has fucked them over and in order for their life to work they need a car. That is why a discussion about what kind of car they should buy to minimize harm is important. OP is basically complaining that the discussion isn't pure enough because only a complete elimination of cars right this second is good enough. They reiterate this over and over in the comments and edited the post to call people "car enthusiasts" because they, like me, think OP is unproductive and toxic to the movement.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

You can all discuss your points here but don't be pricks about it!

Yes I understand that this is a heated topic, but I wan't to remind all to be please stay civiliced and friendly! Think about what you are writing and that its not against people. Remember the rules of this instance. I just wan't to remind you all that we have the same goal in common.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Wait, this isn't a community for people who are sexually attracted to personal conveyance machines‽

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

You're generally going to be more effective at creating change if you work on it gradually rather than pretending you've already accomplished it.

This isn't r/fucksteamlocomotives, the reality is that in most places people still need a car. Focus on how to reduce that need, rather than putting your energy into attacking people who have it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I like guns and tanks and planes for the same reason I like cars. But that doesn’t mean I want war. Just because I like cars doesn’t mean I want to drive everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

These comments are horrible! Buncha assholes in this thread honestly, sorry OP. Its too bad people dunno how to make a point without calling you names or some rude shit. I'm thinking I'm blocking this community since mods seem OK with dat

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Idk, OP is being a little aggro and inflexible with people who are making salient points about accepting the truths of the current necessity of cars in some situations

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I am sorry that you think you need to leave the community. Maybe I can give a bit of insight what is happening currently.

I am also not okay with how some people are not able to make a discussion without calling names. I myself have written something that can be missunderstood and that after I read it must say that It really came wrongly.

We currently are working on some more specific rules to make it easier for us to decide what to delete and what not. Sometimes the comments are just so much that we simply don't have the time to read them all. So feel free to use the report button then, so we can have a closer look on the content that is not okay.

I want this community to be open to discussion and that people can have different opinions and that we are all able to discuss it. I feel sorry for OP too because its not okay what some people did write here.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is a problem with the Lemmy community at the moment. There are so few posts that people can happily consume the firehose, and they end up exposed to and butting into conversations where they're really not welcome a lot more often.

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