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this week's LW chud who is the sort of anti-wokeist who says he isn't right wing writes about human interaction from first principles. 100 upvotes. (www.lesswrong.com)

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago (8 children)

But… I mean, think of a bakery of all (straight) men.

Then think of the same bakery, but it's all (straight) women.

Then imagine the same bakery, but it's mixed sex.

Can you see what happens?

no, not really. bakeries you say?

Even if there's no attraction going on in the last case, the fact that there could be dramatically changes the unspoken dynamics. It's just not as stable as the other two.

Things like… if a man notices a female coworker struggling with a flour sifter, and he comes in one day with a device he purchased to help her out… it raises questions that just wouldn't have arisen if the two coworkers had been the same sex.

oh. ok. flour sifters, man, yeah, those things are crazy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I just can't get over the "struggling with a flour sifter" bit. Like ... what's there to struggle with? What accessory would help a person locked in combat with a flour sifter? Another flour sifter, to intimidate the first with the knowledge that it can be replaced?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

@blakestacey @Amoeba_Girl

A Tactical Flour Sifter, made for men.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

"Because, Lana, I care about the fluffiness of my baked goods."

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

@blakestacey

“It’s a family heirloom, Lana. A 17th century zweihander flour sifter.”

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)

“with a device he purchased to help her out” is such an extremely load bearing sentence in there

The whole goddamn example is batshit, but that one really did it for me

It continues to amaze me these people are real

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I'm picturing some kind of flour-sifting Juicero-type smart device

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

also, if you do this in a bakery you’ll probably get written up for violating food service regulations cause you brought in a random consumer-grade prep item that could’ve easily contaminated everything with bacteria or allergens. plus if you procure the item through work, everyone gets to use it instead of just you and the coworker you’re trying to fuck on top of a birthday cake???

but “I got written up for an obvious health code violation” hits a lot different from “woe is men, everything is sexual harassment now”

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

whenever I hear the "everything is sexual harassment now" from some of these fuckers I think of the joke:

"what's wrong?," asks the doctor.

"something bad - everything hurts" says the patient

"show me"

the patient touches their finger against their thigh, their foot, their neck, and their forehead - evidently wincing with every time

"...you have a broken finger" says the doctor

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

felt like it started off relatively normal, gradually got weirder and more reactionary, and then the bakery bit was where it was clear this dude is from another planet. imagine a bakery... but with both men and women in it. imagine the roiling, all consuming sexual tension. fuck! we can't handle this

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

@sc_griffith It's true. The bakery just down the road has both male and female staff and it's really pretty inconvenient that every time I go in I have to ask if they'd mind taking a quick break from the constant fucking in order to serve me. And don't mention the time I asked if they had "a couple of nice floury baps for me".

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't a Hallmark movie be about a young woman from the big city who finds love and fulfillment when she has to return to her small hometown and manage the local bakery, including the wacky antics of its mixed-sex staff?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

"Hey," Blakeston said, "thought you could use a hand." Rachel looked up from the flour sifter and her eyes widened. Blakeston was holding a large, complicated looking assemblage of tubes, with fans over one end. Could it be...

"You have a flour sifting accessory?" Rachel asked, her voice stunned. "Those are impossible to find!"

"I know," Blakeston said, "it took weeks to find this one and another few weeks to fix it up. I just couldn't see you struggling with the old flour sifter day after day. Here, I'll set it up." Rachel moved aside and Blakeston stepped in, straining as he pushed the assemblage into her flour sifter. His strong muscles glistened under the skin of his forearms. How have I never noticed that before? Rachel thought.

Blakeston stood up, assemblage complete, and turned the crank once - just once. The fans whirred, the tubes rattled, and just like that, the flour was sifted.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m only here for the love triangle episodes with the gruff but lovable bakery owner portrayed by Nathan Fillion who’s not yet over the heartbreak of his wife’s passing (crushed by unsifted flour) but I can fix him

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As Rachel unlocked the door to Chez Mixte the next day, she felt something different. At first, she couldn't figure out what. Everything that had appeared antiquated and unsophisticated now had a special glow. She had once looked at pastries like Blake's orteils de gopher, which had been setting overnight, and thought them no better than animal crackers. Now, they seemed full of animal passion.

For the first time, she picked one up and bit into it. Flaky, and Blake's cream tasted so good on her tongue. Sweet, but not too sweet. A thought popped into her head. Blake had started posting gym selfies five weeks ago. That was about when he had started looking for a flour sifting accessory. Had he been trying to... impress her?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

@sc_griffith @Amoeba_Girl

I don't know, I worked at a Dunkin' Donuts when they still did baking in store, and there were male and female employees. I'm not saying there was NO fucking going on, but I wasn't lucky enough to witness any let alone participate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Sexual tension in a bakery was a plotline in season 1 of tuca and bertie.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

This has major “because of the implication” energy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

wait… does this chud think bakeries are gendered?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

nytpitchbot: first we had breadtube, now this ~~wingnut~~ thought leader wants to make people aware of breadsexuals

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Dude had to specify everyone was straight to get this because yeah in the real world anyone could be attracted to anyone and yeah. Make everyone gay and the situation reverses.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

it is well known that interpersonal conflict only happens between potential partners. and in bakeries.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

I was not clicking op, this is the kind of comments I came for, you made me actually lol, thanks! 😂

Also, is there a /MenAndFemales yet? 🤔

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Feel like the very beginning of this is not completely crazy (I've also thought in the past that straight people often perform "attractiveness" more for the approval of their same-sex friends) but it seems to kind of jump off the evo-psych deep end after that, lol

Also you can't build a bunch of assumptions about "we should organize society this way" while ignoring the existence of LGBT people, and then go "yeah I know I ignored them but it simplified my analysis." Like yeah it simplifies the analysis to ignore a bunch of stuff that actually exists in reality, but... then that means maybe your conclusions about how to structure society are wrong??

edit: also this quote is choice:

I don't know if this really happens. But even if not, the fiction does a great job of highlighting the dynamic I'm thinking of.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I’m not convinced this person has had any kind of social interaction beyond making purchases in years. I’m equally convinced this person has lived infinite lives in their head with every female service that made the mistake of smiling.

I recognize I've been very cis/hetero normative here. I liken this to removing friction from physics. There's no such thing as actually frictionless physics in the real world (as far as I know)… but friction is derived from principles that are easier to see from the imagined frictionless case.

Okay so in order to explain how the world works you have to remove gay people because the principles are only visible if you remove gay people. Or if you have gay people this whole theory seems like a house of cards?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

Imagine how efficient our romantic entanglements would be if we got rid of all the homosexuals

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

infinite lives in their head with every female service that made the mistake of smiling

The basilisk is real!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Men will literally write a 17 minute article before asking women 'hey how can I become more attractive'

And I'm adamantly against pretending real things aren't real. I think that's actually more fundamentally toxic than is homophobia, transphobia, etc.

Euh, well at least all the red flags will attract tankies.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Makery: The bakery ... for straight men! Now with scones in monster truck and shark testosterone flavors! GRAAARRR

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Instead of bear claws they have actual bear claws

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

btw, this is the top mind who previously asked "where's the economic incentive for wokism coming from?"

he's also the cofounder of CFAR, in case anyone ever tries to make out he isn't a normative rationalist

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (6 children)

First woks, now flour sifters? What is the man's obsession with kitchen implements?!!!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Two lines into his little disclaimer and I already knew this guy was a god damn occultist

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

What tipped you off? The phrase "unholy union"?

Anyways the occultism stuff is pretty common among "post-rats".

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yes, and the whole phrasing, combined with the theme and title, typical semantic field of the socalled "schizoposter" (abhorrent euphemism for "bit of a weird nazi")

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

a monkey trying to fuck a football, written equivalent

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

He should really attempt to be less wrong about everything

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m too sick to read all that. Can the chuds pause their chudding for a bit so I can sneer later? Thanks

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Heard a joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's cheerful. Says life is enjoyable and pleasant. Says he feels just fine in an unthreatening world. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. The great clown Sneerclub is in town tonight. Go see him. That should fuck you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But doctor... I am the Torment Nexus." Good joke.

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