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Singapore hangs first woman in 19 years after she was convicted of trafficking 31 grams of heroin (apnews.com)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Singapore conducted its first execution of a woman in 19 years on Friday and its second hanging this week for drug trafficking despite calls for the city-state to cease capital punishment for drug-related crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Singapore hanging its weight on an antiquated, inhumane justice system while the world evolves towards rehabilitative models is downright disturbing. Death penalties for drug offenses are an archaic, blunt instrument to tackle a complex issue, punishing the vulnerable pawns rather than the kingpins of the trade.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

What is it with sea and fear of drugs?

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

31 grams , are they serious ? Are there no other crimes in singapore now ?

[+] [email protected] -23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

31 grams of pure heroin. I think it's worth mentioning.

While Singapore has doled severe punishments for possession of paltry amounts of cannabis in the past, the drug in this particular case is incomparable to weed.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I truckload of heroin is not worth the death penalty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm not saying it is. I simply meant that heroin being a far more potent drug, the minimum amount that qualifies you for SG's draconian punishment is lower. That minimum amount being roughly half of what this woman was caught with, ie, at 16gms IIRC.

I believe you're taking your anger out on the wrong person here. I didn't make those laws, I wouldn't have. But it is what it is, and from what I've seen on the internet, most Singaporeans seem to be either apathetic to it or in support of it given their history with opium.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wasn’t mad and especially not mad at you. If I was mad at anything it was at Singapore for killing a person over possession of ANYTHING. So no worries. 😀

I know you were making the distinction between the pure drug and cut street drug which can be quite different.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

We're in agreement, then. It's a shame that the woman was straight up executed for such a tiny amount over the limit. I bet most of us couldn't even feel that 15 grams of difference if placed on our palms. But that's how it is in SG despite us outsiders wishing for a less than lethal judgement, and they do try to warn people of the consequences of possession at every step of the way to that country. So the onus is, to an extent, on the visitors as well to protect themselves.

I watched a few vids in the past where random Singaporeans were asked what they thought of the capital punishment and while most agreed it was severe, they also said it made sense considering their country was hamstrung by widespread opium addiction in the past. Unfortunate, but if the Singaporeans themselves don't push for the change, it's unlikely to happen anytime soon.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Government sanctioned murder is still murder.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

And in no way am I denying it. I thought it was imperative to mention the type of drug alongside the dose since heroin has a lower minimum amount you can be caught with and still walk away. She wouldn't have been executed for 31 grams of weed.

I merely added info from the article that was missing on the OP's comment, I don't necessarily agree with SG's laws.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Barbarians.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Theocracy everyone

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Theocrats everywhere

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Lovely place to be…

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

I'm not discussing the morality of the punishment. I'll refer you to my other comment here:
https://kbin.social/m/[email protected]/t/262280/Singapore-hangs-first-woman-in-19-years-after-she-was#entry-comment-1186793

[+] [email protected] -43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Biased title. Why should gender matter in law? This is a blatant attempt to tug at emotions. And they try to focus on '31 grams' instead of 'a year's supply'. Take that clickbait back to reddit.

Edit since a lot of people think I'm discussing the sentencing. I'm not, I'm discussing the article itself. My reasoning:

Why I find the headline objectionable:

Emphasis on gender. Why does it matter that she's female, or how long is it's been since the last woman was executed? Is it any more or less significant / objectionable than a man being sentenced to the same thing? It's not trying to make some sort of analysis about gender trends, so I can only assume it's a device to invoke emotions.
Choice of wording about the quantity. 'A year's supply' would have made it very obvious to anybody browsing that this was not a casual user. Instead they went with the less accessible amount in grams, which makes it seem to those unfamiliar with drugs like it was a tiny bust.

Combined, the headline seems to be pushing a specific agenda, which I find deplorable (the covertness, not the agenda).

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Are you an incel by any means? Because clearly if its a women, the title will obviously be that. If it was a man, it wouldve been that. Keep your incelish shit somewhere else man.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IDGAF if it was 3 years, the punishment is still extreme for the crime. You can go back to reddit

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah the message should boil down to state kills person. That's barbaric as it is.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Perhaps so. I'm not discussing the morality of death sentences, just the BS clickbait here

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Clickbait? It's literally Associated Press

[+] [email protected] -7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does the source matter when I've already pointed out what's wrong with the headline?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's Associated Press, there's an actual news article in the link that you can read that tells the story, plus the headline isn't even clickbait, it's literally telling you what happened. I'm confused as to why you would think saying what happened is clickbait? Could you elaborate?

[+] [email protected] -6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My original comment contains details from the article, so I'm not sure why you think I haven't read it.

Why I find the headline objectionable:

Emphasis on gender. Why does it matter that she's female, or how long is it's been since the last woman was executed? Is it any more or less significant / objectionable than a man being sentenced to the same thing? It's not trying to make some sort of analysis about gender trends, so I can only assume it's a device to invoke emotions.
Choice of wording about the quantity. 'A year's supply' would have made it very obvious to anybody browsing that this was not a casual user. Instead they went with the less accessible amount in grams, which makes it seem to those unfamiliar with drugs like it was a tiny bust.

Combined, the headline seems to be pushing a specific agenda, which I find deplorable (the covertness, not the agenda).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The emphasis on gender is simply a state of fact; most women are trafficked into this kind of work against their will, so she literally is a victim here and being executed for it. We all have emotions, unless you're a zombie you will feel for something in this world. You can not enact the "emotions" excuse for any article that tells a deeply troubling or terrible story or describes a terrible event happening that shouldn't happen.
No one is arguing here she's the user, she's the victim of trafficking. The quantity described comes from the backwards organization doing the executions to begin with, so it's irrelevant what the quantity is, it could be 50000 millenia worth of heroin, she has no choice to do this work. Basic human rights is an agenda we can all get behind, and I would certainly hope we push more of it into countries like Singapore to get them to stop abusing fundamental human rights

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

That's fair. If that were the case here, or if she had made any such claim, I'd agree the title would then be fitting. However, since it's not mentioned, I'll point out that you're making assumptions based solely on the headline, and hence proving my point about the wording influencing people in specific ways.

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