No fucking way I'll consider buying one now.
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I always wanted one, but when they made it a requirement to have and link a Facebook account to use it I completely lost interest.
I have one. Not long after I bought it, it became a brick because it forced a software update that forced a Facebook sign in to use it.
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Guess I'll save up for the Valve one
HP reverb g2 is pretty solid
It's discontinued unfortunately, so don't expect much in the way of support. But it is a great VR headset that you can get on the cheap ATM
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It seems (seemed) like a pretty good vr headset....just it's owned by one of the worst companies and I have no interest paying them hundreds for that level of access to my personal information.
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...and there goes my eagerness to buy the Q3. I loathe drm.
All the shills promised me and other doubters that something like this would never happen. I'm glad I lost all interest in Oculus the moment Facebook bought them.
Hopefully we'll see some solid info on the Deckard this year.
Same. And it's sad because, from what others have said, they are great vr headsets. Hopefully valve nails it with Deckard.
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Who the fuck are buying shit from google and Facebook? No wonder fucking internet is going to shits
Google Pixel phones are the only phones compatible with GrapheneOS, so there's one reason.
They're also absolutely the best phones you can buy, in my opinion.
And you literally can't buy phones that don't have anti-consumer software.
No one sells the old Nokia bricks, and even if they did, the networks they run on have been deprecated.
The quest is amazing. It’s cheap and completely standalone while also giving you the ability to use it with pc vr games.
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So glad I avoid Meta products. I doubt they will be satisfied until they can live sell your data and display ads while you use the product.
Those are two very different things. Advertising giants don't actually "sell" your data, it's really not in their best interest, they make money by being the only ones with your data.
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Liiiiiitle bit of an outrage attempting title.
The API is being added, it’s optional for developers, and the person that is quoted in the article even says that it’s not really going to be used for that.
Also there’s never been anything stopping developers from making their games “always online” to begin with, so this changes nothing.
This is like saying steam requires always online simply because an api exists for online checking drm.
Not a fair comparison to Steam as it allows indefinite-ish offline access as long as you check in once. This new Quest restriction has nothing like this. It's more similar to DRM systems like Denuvo that call home on startup or during play time. The API also checks device integrity which means access to apps could be disabled for modified devices and Steam does nothing of sort.
The comparison was that the ability to enforce always online exists in steam, just like it will here. Neither will mandate it.
The ability to do this isn’t only being added now, it’s just that meta have made an api for it that developers can use if they want instead of writing their own.
Honestly I'm not as optimistic as you are. Official API gives implicit permission for DRM. Right now if an APP did this it would be review bombed and suffer backslash. With official API it'll slowly normalizes DRM and suddenly everything requires online.
Quest is getting more closed with every release - remember when Facebook login was not required? The whole dev ecosystem is getting more complex with every update. This seems like an up-coming trend especially now that Quests main competition will be an extremely closed ecosystem of Apple. This will give Quest permision to basically lock down more.
My bet is that a year in most of the apps will have this DRM though I'd love to be proven wrong. I love my Quest 2 and only use it to draw/sculpt when I travel and that would basically kill the device for me so I might be a bit over protective of my hobby here but it really sucks when you buy a thing and somebody else tells you how to use it.
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Why are all these companies hell bent on making more e-waste
Or, what the fuck do they think they're protecting against?
It's not about protecting anything, it's about acquiring and selling as much of your personal data as they can.
Aaaaaaaaaand just like that, never buying a Facebook headset. Also because apparently they firmware updated to requiring a Facebook account.
Meh.
I'll go valve index 2.0
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Oh cool. Another reason to not buy one.
Sounds pretty on-brand for them.
Remember kids: Meta = cancer
Do everything you can to stop meta from metastasizing.
We've reached a point that technology is not improving, but degrading -- who on earth is going to accept this as is and let third parties acquire random information about them, including their credit card? I mean, if a hacker manages to bust (whatever feature that allows this bs to happen) and forward info to them instead of the meta HQ -- they are going to have a heck of a honeypot.
I very much doubt even 10% of Quest owners will even bother to complain online about this.
Complain? I would be shocked if 10% of quest users even know it's happening
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Welp as someone who cannot maintain a constant internet connection on my devices this is quite the turnoff
Another reason I would never buy a Meta product
This will be removed once thousands of little Billy or grandma's can't get that app to work, just like the Facebook requirement. Their support is a joke.
I had an app stuck in the update queue (still no way to see that queue). The recommendation was to do a factory reset. Not open up queue, restart download, not remove from queue - none of those things you can do! Good thing I had sidequest and was able to open up the quest taskmanger on my computer and do a force quit or I would never have been able to download anything again!
No way they let something that does that on purpose everytime the router goes out. Millions of factory resets? No, millions of returns.
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I can't imagine what kind of a bad way I'd have to be in mentally to end up buying a Meta product...
Oculus was dead to me the moment it was announced Facebook was purchasing them.
I have trigeminal neuralgia, a painful nerve disorder in my face, meaning I can't wear VR headsets. So when I find out that Zuckerberg's "VR is going to change everything" bullshit has yet another issue, I feel smug. Pretty much the only time I can feel smug about trigeminal neuralgia.
I'm so, so, so sorry. My infraorbital nerve runs through my maxillary sinus and I had really fucking bad 3-month sinus infection that caused nerve pain on that isolated nerve (among a lot of other things). I can't imagine how you are dealing with this even though I do have nerve pain elsewhere.
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STEAM DECKERD WHERE ARE YOU
I thought about getting a Quest 2. Glad I didn't.
LOL
Master class in destroying a product line.
Can't tell who is more clueless, Zuck or Musk? They both seem to be hell bent on ruining their own companies.
The one thing I am excited about is eventually seeing Meta cancel their entire Quest division and clearing-out all these VR devices for pennies on the dollar. At which point I would expect some enterprising hackers find a way to run them off a regular PC without needing them to phone-home all the time.
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I've had my quest 2 for a while now but not used it in a bit. Certainly not making me want to play it or get anything new for it.
This doesn't affect using it as a PC VR headset though, does it?
Because that's the only reason I was thinking of waiting for a Quest 3 instead of buying a Pico, anyways.
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Have one of the original dk1 units in storage gathering dust. I was so excited for it until they pulled Linux support and Facebook buying them out. Never touched it since.
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