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submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Edit:

Since theres been some confusion with dates

In 2016 github made site side searching login only and hid the search bar if you werent logged in. This didnt include searching within a repository so that could still be done, just not all repositories

This year was the change being referred to in this link which made repository level searching require logging in

Blog post: https://github.blog/changelog/2023-06-07-code-search-now-requires-login/

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[-] [email protected] 149 points 9 months ago

Hey Guys, Microsoft is cool now, they really care for Open Source now, they changed.

How do people always forget, how often they get fucked by that company in the last 20 years, that they think anything changed? They still abuse their monopoly, they still buy up the work of others and they still will then dilute it down for their bottom line and restrict it to force you to use a login to harvest data on your profile (see also Windows).

Everyone who said it's cool that MS bought Github, because they are now Pro-Open-Source: Can we please have a round table every 2 years and talk. Because I think you guys are victims of the Stockholm syndrome and do not even notice.

[-] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago

Yeah, fuck Microsoft. They haven't changed at all.

For example I remember when they held monopoly in a browser market and purposely broke their sites for other browsers.

Now the IE is gone, they have Chrome based Edge and are doing it again, if for example you try to use their office and make Teams call in Firefox it will refuse saying you should use Edge or Chrome. I'm guessing they are now trying again to claim they support another browser in case of antitrust, but Edge and Chrome is essentially the same thing. They just want to kill Firefox.

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Apparently, this change was in 2016 - before MS bought them. However, I agree with your point. But the proof of that isn't in restricting search to logged in users. It's in how they ripped off FOSS code (esp GPL code) for training copilot. They did something that fundamentally damaged the roots of FOSS activity.

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[-] [email protected] 87 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Fantastic way to start a shitstorm. You people don't even use search function logged out, because if you did, you would know they changed it in 2016. Microsoft has nothing to do with it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11321623

[-] [email protected] 63 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

searching across all of github was made to be logged in then

repository level searching though is relatively recent. Heres the blog post about the change dated in June this year https://github.blog/changelog/2023-06-07-code-search-now-requires-login/

This comment by an employee in the thread also calls out it was in 2023 and links to the blog post

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago

I’m getting so exhausted with the constant outrage in every goddamn feed in my life.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Ignore it, laugh and increase your awareness that people are dumb as shit but also have the humility to realize you're also people and are also dumb as shit.

It makes life far more palatable.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So begins our final transformation… idiocracy

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago

I have been able to search logged out within a repository, up to this year. I think what you are referring to is search across all repositories. That was indeed disables a while ago. But things did change this year, unfortunately. So yes there is a legitimate and new issue... Once more.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Oh is that why I can't seem to figure out where the damn search function is anymore? That's legit been driving me nuts for a few years.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is helpful. Thanks. Didnt even realize it. No need to use something to point out how its not a good look. It's still good to bring more awareness around how sites like Github are becoming a more of walled gardens. I agree with everything else you said though.

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[-] [email protected] 26 points 9 months ago

The biggest news to me is that GitHub allows users to search code. Every single time I tried to search something in GitHub, search results were next to completely useless, and always a sure-fire waste of time and effort.

There's hope, I guess.

[-] [email protected] 40 points 9 months ago

lol? That must have been a half ass attempt on your part because GitHub search is fantastic.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

must have been a half ass attempt

How hard do you need to try to use a feature for it to be considered decent? Do you expect something as basic as a search to put up a fight?

[-] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Can you elaborate on what happened when you tried to search? I’ve never had trouble.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

GitHub search simply won't find search terms that I know are there (because I can grep them in my local repo). It also fails to search all branches. There's also insufficient filtering for filetypes or paths.

Maybe I'm just spoiled from having used OpenGrok, as well as knowing how to use basic tools like find and grep, all of which I find substantially more useful.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do you expect something as basic as a search to put up a fight?

Increasingly, you should be. Search algorithms from Amazon to Google are getting deliberately enshittified in order to force you to see what they want you to see instead of finding what you were actually looking for. For example, things like quotation marks and the minus operator no longer work. I would be supremely unsurprised to learn of Microsoft following suit.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Agreed their search is legendary

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

This is news to me. I've been cloning and searching for years because web search was useless. And by useless I mean - I know the word I'm looking for appears in exactly four places, formatted and capitalized exactly this way - and GitHub web search still doesn't find it.

It wouldn't surprise me if it's gotten massively better - but only in the way that choosing to ride a bicycle to work is a massive improvement over sitting on a random rock.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I don't find the search too bad but what does make it difficult is digging through a million forks of a library. Sometimes I want to find how other people used an obscure library method and I end up having to wade through endless forks with the same repeated bit of code.

This is more a complaint of people using forking as a like button but I do wish there was an option to exclude them from search.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

It used to be pretty bad but they worked on it and made it a lot better over time.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

It still sucks

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[-] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

Honestly, I can't wait for Forgejo to implement federation. Gitlab might do so too after Forgejo shows that it's possible and gets a major following. They already are letting one external dude implement it after having slept on it for a good decade.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah. Right now GitHub is the only choice for my work to be seen; but someone is going to fix that by adopting activity Pub.

I'll run my own instance once that's an option.

Someone please correct me if it's already in play and I've just missed it.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

It's still not here. If you're a Go or Ruby dev with some time, you could help out Forgejo or Gitlab.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

I see they've finally started the Extinguish phase.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

And this is why my Org rolled our own Gitea server.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

2023, the year of Big Tech companies restricting their users in every single possible way. But why is 2023 not the year of users finally waking up and switching away from this proprietary garbage?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

The last part is happening. A lot of people switched to gogs/gitea/forgejo instances like codeberg when GH pulled a copilot on them. Lemmy went from being an obscure platform to a good one with lots of new users, better codebase and loads of clients when Reddit screwed its users. Mastodon was already healthy, but ballooned in size when twitter was trashed by Musk. YouTube is the only platform standing without a viable alternative, but people are trying after their adblock shenanigans.

Are the big proprietary platforms dead yet? No. Did they lose the audience - only a little bit. But it has made the alternative open platforms healthy and stronger. We are no longer in a condition where big platforms can just screw their users knowing that nothing will happen to them. Each transgression will cause more and more people to migrate. That's a good thing.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

FWIW Sourcegraph chrome extension adds a neat “open in Sourcegraph” to github pages and SG is just superior. Why would you use Github's mediocre search either way ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago

Reject shithub, return to open source

[-] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

Microsoft sucks for this, outlook, "open source vscode", and many other reasons.

That said my current workaround is to use sourcegraph.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

It's been this way for years. Really?

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