can't collect your data if your device is actually sleeping
this post was submitted on 20 Nov 2023
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- Under "Power Options," click "Change what the power buttons do."
- Click the "Change settings that are currently unavailable" link near the top of the page.
- Deselect Fast Startup (Recommended)
- Save Changes
- Done
It always amuses me when people say that Windows is easier to use than Linux, which is absolutely false and only coincides with basic functions, but not if you want to make Windows do what the you want and not the other way around. Windows allows you to tame it completely, it has all the necessary settings, but naturally these are becoming less and less intuitive and more hidden.
It's easier for people who don't know what they're doing. The limitations keep those users from breaking things and provide a decent out-of-the-box experience for the user. The very same limitations feel, well, limiting to users like you.
One of us. One of us.
I mean, I'm not, but only because I am too lazy to change (so far). I've been remarkably content with the Steam Deck desktop experience, so I'm leaning more and more towards Linux.
I have a Mac / Linux background. I took a job where I supported primarily Windows machines. I remember wanting to set a machine to NTP to solve an out-of-sync time issue. I knew what the goddamned computer protocol was, but futzed around trying to find where I could enable it for ten minutes. Windows is confusing as fuck. I say that as a person who has since learned where shit is in this bullshit OS.
Yes, I know. This is why it amuses me when someone says that Windows is a good system for beginners. It is only at first glance, but if you want to access more in-depth configurations so that it does what you want and not the other way around, which is possible, it quickly becomes Comanche territory. Certainly nothing for newbees.
Sleep has always been a hit or miss. My HP probook would wake up just to tell me the battery is low. Then, proceeded to sleep, because the battery was low. Then, wake up, to tell me the battery is low...
That would be a product of the HP code mills.
This is the other drawback, standby consumes battery
fast startup is pretty good tho.
win11 tases painfully long time to coldboot (2-3 minutes, somehow even slower than linux boot times on an 8 year old laptop) even from a fast nvme drive and fast boot solves that issue
In 2-3 minutes I am already posting on Lemmy with W10, there is not much difference between cold and fast boot, it may be because of the SSD. I prefer cold boot, because with fast boot it boots maybe a few seconds faster, but a lot of garbage remains in memory that slows down the system.
The best way to shutdown your Windows system is to restart it, and then when its booting, shut it off right there. Restart actually restarts the system afresh, and for some profound reason, Windows took the hibernate shutdown feature introduced in Windows 8 and just completely removed the traditional shutdown way, how the shutdown button always worked upto 8.1 version. Windows 10 and 11 never shutdown with the shutdown, but with restart, as much of a circus as it sounds.
If you want to turn off hibernation for good you can do so with an elevated prompt.
powercfg.exe /hibernate off
Otherwise you want to turn off fast start up, which should avoid the hibernation/shutdown you're talking about.
Yes, fast startup, forgot the name. But it is insane how its hidden off behind a commandline, what used to be a tickbox behind admin password inside of Power Options.
Edit: apparently the tickbox is still there, my bad
The fast start up option actually should still be under power options, though not really intuitive or easy to find.
Look for the part that says "Choose what the power buttons do" and it should be there.
I tend to just turn hibernation all off because I don't really use it, and I'd typically rather have the space hiberfil.sys takes up.
It is there. That is weird, how did I miss this all this time?
i heard you gotta wait until it tells you it's safe to turn off your computer.
If you hold the shift key when you press "shut down" it'll fully shut down.
just as i saw this post my computer i put to sleep woke up presumably because updates pending or some bullshit like that
My desktop isn't a problem, but the Dell laptop issued by my employer is a pain. It can take over an hour to load the models I work on, so I only shut down over the weekend and sleep it weeknights. Every time some BS, probably hidden behind admin credentials by IBM will wake it up within 20 minutes. Luckily I've discovered pulling the power and leaving it in battery keeps it asleep.
You might be able to fix this by disabling "modern standby". That was the key on my Dell laptop from work having the same issue and threatening to melt my backpack every night.
I'm not sure the corporate lockdown will allow that, but I'll look into it thanks.
Huh, I have the opposite issue on my new tablet. If it stays in sleep mode for more than an hour while unplugged, it goes into full shutdown mode and has to be booted up when I need it again. Asus flow z13
The default power plan Asus setup is doing this. You change power plan settings.
That sounds like hybrid sleep, or low battery, or something.
If you can't get the PC to stay asleep I wonder if disconnecting it from the internet will keep it asleep?
Modern Standby includes a Disconnected Standby mode. It never actually enters S3 sleep, because Windows assumes S0 sleep support means no S3 sleep support. Disconnected Standby might use a little less power than Connected Standby, but the computer is still subject to the same wakeups and wakelocks.