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[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Yep. It is understanding that the sunk cost fallacy is not just about business decisions but is also very relevant in our personal lives.

The freakonomics podcast did a great episode on the subject.

The upside of quitting,

Hell, even Kenny Rogers wrote a song about it.

The gambler.

You've got to know when to hold 'em

Know when to fold 'em

Know when to walk away

And know when to run

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Poker player Annie Duke has a book on this, it’s worth the read.

Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away

https://amzn.to/3Qzlqn1

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

This reply is as wholesome as the post that got it started.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

While this is probably true, the unspoken assumption is that you have some kind of safety net that allows you to take that risk.

I would argue that: People who have the luxury to quit when things don't work out tend to win at life, not because they quit, but because they had the luxury in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

Some of us quit even without the safety net

Is it stupid? Absolutely. I didn't have white hairs before I did that, stress was insane.

Did it work out? After almost a year, yes.

Was it worth it? Also yes

It's not necessarily having the means to do so immediately, but having the ability to make it work ANYWAY, and having the mental fortitude and strength of will to live through what can only be described as a living hell of stress

I'm aware there are many people that will never work for, but more probably can than they think

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's definitely important to know when to quit, but it's also important to know when to fight. For example, I'm in the tech industry working for a AAA videogame company. I could leave, but I'm in a luxurious position where I don't get harassed or put in dangerous situations. I also know that the rest of the tech industry is full of the same bullshit. So, I'm choosing to instead fight back and change the status quo.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good luck, I hope you succeed. I know that changing jobs in the industry can be a case of out of the frying pan.

But personally, I have found that organisational culture is really hard to change.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sure as hell is, which is why I'm not alone! We will be a huge union in tech when we go public, we'll also have a ton of bargaining power.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That's super cool, I hope it works out and inspires more in the industry to Unionize.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So, I'm choosing to instead fight back and change the status quo.

Fight what? Why would you want to fight a luxurious position where you don't get harassed?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are a lot of issues. I'm not personally experiencing harassment, but several coworkers have. We're way underpaid in the industry, we're especially fighting against RTO, and communication from management is awful. Retaliation is common. The company has been engaging in illegal union busting. We have a lot to fight against.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Oh... some of those issues you outlined (like retaliation and harassment) are illegal. If someone can prove that it's happening then they can sue, and win. I hope things get better for you and your coworkers. Nobody should have to face harassment at work.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can you refer me for a job. I am a dev manager with a decade of experience. And I'm a Marxist. I lead the change from within. Looking because RTO only benefits shiity managers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd love to bring in a salt, but unfortunately we're on a hiring freeze and have mandated hybrid

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Worth a try. In Montreal?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have walked out of damn near every job I've had so far, always when they think that attempting to screw me is a good idea

"Oh, you're one of our best drivers, flawless record, history of cleaning up other drivers messes, and we even specifically called you to hire you back after you left because we knew we could trust you? We're gonna file this blown oil filter as an accident that was your fault, no raise for you this year"

Got into a literal shouting match with my ex boss after that one, holy fuuuuuck

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Yup, it sucks being a genuinely passionate and hard worker, because that just means that inevitably, they're going to try and take advantage of you. And then you've gotta quit, because there's no coming back from that. It's happened to me twice and I'm seeing the early warning signs at my current job yea

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It kinda sounds like you are the problem ngl

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you ever heard the adage "If someone is an asshole, they're an asshole, if everyone is an asshole, you're the asshole". Its sort of like that

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did I say they were being assholes in general, or that they did asshole things in specific?

Some examples:

AC breaking in the middle of summer, causing the store to be over 100F and refusing to even call the repairman for 2 days. Left on the spot when offered an interview at a different place when the manager saw our conditions.

Being told I was to get a promotion only to have it taken away a week later AFTER my replacement for my current role has been hired due to petty office drama bullshit (some other manager didn't like me and whined to the CEO, his brother). Was offered a worse replacement temp job as a pity, walked instead.

I've told this one on Lemmy before I think, might have been a diff acct tho: boss with anger management issues earlier this year got red in the face and yelled at me for not emptying a trash can that did not exist. When pressed on the issue he just got madder and in my face. CO workers confirmed via text that no trash can in the area described had any trash at all in it. I just got in my car and left

You'll notice the running theme here is that something us done to me that is unreasonable. Most places I've worked love me right up until I don't take being fucked over. Then suddenly they "don't know why I'm angry" and am "making a stupid decision" (said by a job I'd replaced literally later that afternoon lol)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

NGL, I had you pegged as entirely plausible from the start. People try on bullshit and mostly do it more in disadvantageous situations.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

cops if my quick

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People really underestimate how much the sunk cost fallacy can derail your life. Don't waste time. A year becomes 10 very fast.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A year becomes 10 very fast.

To quote those great 20th century philosophers, Pink Floyd.

And then one day you find.

10 years have got behind you.

No one told you when to run.

You missed the starting gun.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They also give the best reason to fight against procrastination:

Long you live and high you fly And smiles you'll give and tears you'll cry And all you touch and all you see Is all your life will ever be

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, I have noticed this with people that I know that became successful. They were always super quick to turn the tables over in a neg situation. It takes a toll though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

To add to that, you don't know when to quit, a lot of times it's just luck of quitting and starting at the right time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Is this a meme?