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submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Police in the United Kingdom are using data from period tracking apps and mass spectrometry tests conducted on blood, placenta, and urine to investigate patients who have had “unexplained” miscarriages.

Though abortion is legal in the UK, there are TRAP laws in place requiring certain conditions to be met first, paramount of which is that two separate doctors need to agree that the patient meets the criteria of the 1967 Abortion Act before any treatment can go ahead. Self-managed abortion is a criminal offense with a maximum sentence of life imprisonment in the UK, as is any abortion performed after the pregnancy has progressed passed 23 weeks and six days, unless the patient is at risk of serious physical harm or death, or the fetus has severe developmental anomalies.

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[-] [email protected] 189 points 10 months ago

Hey, people who menstruate! Don't use software that leaks your period. There are clean, open source alternatives for your Android or Apple phone.

https://bloodyhealth.gitlab.io/

[-] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago

A Data protective App funded by the German government. Take that, Brits!

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As if we needed more to be depressed about, what a mess our country now is. I can see why people immigrate.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago
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[-] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Not a bad idea in terms of keeping sensitive information out of the hands of companies and dragnet surveillance, but probably ineffective if your threat model is local police seizing your phone (like in the article) because you had a miscarriage, and using period tracker data against you somehow.

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[-] [email protected] 77 points 10 months ago

this sounds so fucking dystopian...

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[-] [email protected] 66 points 10 months ago

Amazing how many governments are interested in making sure babies happen - to the point of sounding alarms.

What do they know that they're not telling? Is the pollution so bad that we've wiped ourselves out biologically?

[-] [email protected] 35 points 10 months ago

The birth rate is dropping almost everywhere and that’s bad for capitalism

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

All nations that receive the benefits of the industrial revolution, followed by increased education, medicine, resources, and stability seem to trend to a demographic transition. The net result is a stable, and usually falling, population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition

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[-] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

They know that democracy has always just been an illusion to keep us in line and that we are actually just chattel slaves for the ruling class. The system they built requires a stable or growing population when in fact it's declining, so they're taking the easy way out to boost numbers.

In the future, they'll just grow us in vats so if we get out if line, they will just murder us all and grow a new batch of slaves. Progress! 😃

[-] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Aging populations are feared.

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[-] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Soon, tampons will have wifi so they can send your data to the govt, and then they'll know you're pregnant before you even do.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

DNA matching too, to make sure you don't pollute the data.

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[-] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago

And the UK goverment really REALLY wants to have backdoors put into every kind on encryption.

Well, I'm sure the two aren't related.

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[-] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago

Wait so I thought this was a thing in the US because of all the Christofascists. Does the UK also have a christofascist thing going on? Or is this just kind of an everything goes culture war bullshit thing?

[-] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago

The UK is a Christian theocracy. Their legal head of state is the head of the state religion.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

Also I've I'm not mistaken UK lore dictates that the king/queen derives their power directly from God or something.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Lol I love the idea that the monarchy is just a group of LARPers that have made up lore about themselves as a backstory.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That's exactly what they are. Royalty made up the idea of divine right and then let the church in on the deal to provide legitimacy to it.

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[-] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago

Fascism is closing its jaws on the human race globally.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Your Christo-fascists are pushing their agenda in the UK from here.

This network has been linked to major US funders of climate change denial and right-wing political causes including the Koch brothers and Robert Mercer, and to populist far-right parties in Europe, such as the Sweden Democrats and the Brothers of Italy

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[-] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

Wow, that's not maliciously intrusive at all. Big Brother is hard at work over in jolly old fuck that noise.

[-] [email protected] 44 points 10 months ago

Wow, you never hear the UK mentioned as a place with abortion restrictions, but they have life in prison as a hypothetically administerable sentence for it, if done the wrong way.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Technically abortion is illegal. There has to be a medical reason for the abortion. In practice a Doctor would consider not wanting to be pregnant would make an abortion necessary. Practice and society expectations differ from the actual law.

This would suggest no prosector would bring charges against anyone, as it wouldn't be in the public interest. So the police shouldn't wast resources on it.

There has also been a rise in abortions lately. It appears to be down to misinformation online about contraception.

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[-] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago

I heard a good news article on unexplained miscarriages on NPR last week.

There's a correlation between having a healthy baby and the volume of the placenta. Small placentas result in loss.

Which makes sense, the placenta is passing all the oxygen and nutrients to the baby, if it fails to size up, the baby is starved of nutrients and... well...

The doctor who invented the process to measure placental volume is getting the usual pushback from established medicine though. :(

Worth a listen if you have time:

https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/placenta-pregnancy-loss/

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Almost all miscarriages are unexplained. Because research into health issues that primarily affect women is still in the fucking dark ages.

I had a friend who suffered multiple miscarriages (including one that wouldn't complete itself and almost required surgical intervention because she was bleeding so badly - a procedure that her home state of Ohio is trying to ban now because it's the exact same procedure that is used in ~~electric~~ elective abortions.

After so many losses they finally figured out that her progesterone levels were extremely low and supplemented progesterone the next time she got pregnant. She now has a healthy baby boy as a result.

Medicine doesn't even have solutions for so many of these problems, and half the government wants to take away one of the few tools available to us to keep women alive and healthy.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

What if you "tell" the app you're pregnant when you're not, give it false data, and then have some other way to prove you were never pregnant... Then wait for them to arrest you so you can publicly shame them for spying. Is it illegal to lie to apps? Say you were doing an unrelated science experiment and wanted to utilize the features that period tracking apps already have

[-] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's called data poisoning. I run AdNauseum and TrackMeNot which both do something similar but I'm shocked at the lack of data poisoning software development.

Hiding your data can be hard but filling your profile with junk is trivial by comparison.

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 10 months ago

I am a CIS male and run the Flo app just to mess with their stats and tracking. You wouldn't believe how often my period is off!

[-] [email protected] 25 points 10 months ago

I've never used an app to track, but as a teen my periods were so inconsistent that they would probably think I was pregnant and miscarrying every 3 months. There were times I didn't bleed for 3 months then bled for 2, for years. This led me to starting birth control years before I ever had sex for the first time. I definitely would have been on some watchlist if that took place today.

Luckily, after years of trying to stop birth control (and going right back into that weird bleeding cycle every time! >:[ wtf body) my new doctor agreed to do a hysterectomy! It was just recently done, so I'm still recovering, but I'm so fucking happy I never have to deal with periods and bc pills ever again!

Sorry for the novel lol

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Congratulations! I'm wicked happy for you, Internet Stranger :) and hope you a smooth recovery.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

Same! I had a pregnancy scare a few weeks ago, but I'm back on my period again with my nonexistent uterus. Phew.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

I bled 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, and 21st of October. I plan on doing it backwards this month. My cup and non-existent uterus runneth over. I'm thinking of having a pregnancy scare next month sometime, just in time for the holidays.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

In the civilized world it’s not even illegal to lie to the police (as a defendant).

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

100% nonsense if you apply some logic. British police have 0 time or budget to be investigating this. If someone stole my wallet while I was standing in front of a police officer they wouldn't be able to do a thing about it

By all means don't use software that shares your personal information with anyone but also don't waste time getting het up by this article

[-] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Kim Jong-un liked it

[-] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Orwell was right about that plce

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

Ah yes, just another day of people living their best lives in the free world.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago
[-] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Why is everyone acting like you NEED to use an app? Paper calendars work just fine

[-] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago

Simply: you shouldn't have to worry about medical data being shared with anyone without your consent, no matter if you use an app or tell your doctor.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

Some apps have a degree of machine learning that can predict next periods very well. My ex sometimes had delayed periods due to a health condition. Clue was still able to predict her dates pretty accurately. Idk if there are any open source alternatives that'll work as well.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

I have ADHD and cannot keep track of one more paper anything. I record it as something boring akin to a bank transaction now that I fear the government snooping but an app with bright blaring notifications kept me sane and only pregnant when I wanted to be for a decade. I'm mad that I don't feel safe using it any longer.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

paper calendars work ok. apps are better at collating and predicting based on past data, and therefore giving you a better idea when and what to expect and whether it's "normal".

apps can help you provide a condensed report, which helps when seeking help from a doctor. it shouldn't work that way, but at least in my anecdotal experience, the Dr who dismisses handwritten notes for 3 months, was more reasonable when it was "data collected via app".

I stopped using an app a few years ago, because of privacy issues, but there are absolutely good reasons people still use them when a calendar works.

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