Pay a subscription to be fed ads. Reddit has become cable television.
this post was submitted on 29 Oct 2023
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I wonder why there isn't an army of people in this thread telling us how it costs money to host a social networking platform and we shouldn't expect something for nothing a website has a right to charge users for access and if you don't like it then don't use it?
Like in the YouTube threads. 🤔
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with charging for API access but the amount they're charging is ridiculous. Most reddit/lemmy apps pay for the imgur api, for example. Only difference is that imgur wants significantly less money than reddit so it's sustainable for app developers.
That makes me think how a lot can be summed up as: people want to support what they love, but don't want to be taken advantage of.
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I do think there's a bit of merit to that, but I think the way it was approached and leveled at the community was really what created the true problem.
There wasn't much tact or frank honesty about the situation, Reddit and Huffman bred a sort of hostile environment by setting the tone. I could sympathize with the logical reason, but not with the execution and true personality that it belied.
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Long before the APIcalypse, I was thinking of quitting Reddit. Now that everything went downhill, that decision became super easy.
I wasn’t really getting that much benefit out of Reddit, so it wasn’t a big deal. Spending time there was more like bad habit to me. The mere thought of paying for a bad habit sounds so absurd that quitting would have been absolutely mandatory at that point.
Fortunately though, Reddit already made the process so much easier simply buy kicking out my favorite client app.
Same here, it had been several months where I felt that the general quality had been declining. As soon as the AMA was done and nothing was answered I deleted the app (RiF).
Sadly I still miss some niche communities, but I've been finding substitutes
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Must be fucking tragic still developing for reddit ecosystem. All of your subscriptions go straight to Reddit, who graciously gives you access to user generated content curated by unpaid mods.
I checked out Narwhal 2, and the app is a goddam jewel. I'd have paid $30 or $50 for it (like I did with Bean for Lemmy). It almost convinced me to go and make a reddit account again, but then I saw reddit recently stopped letting you opt out of ad personalization anymore, and it was easy to run back to lemmy. Reddit does not want 3rd party apps. Eventually they'll look for ways to fully block access.
Reddit has a lot more tracking and fingerprinting going on in their own app too that they obviously want you there for. Once you log into multiple accounts, it fingerprints you as the same user on all accounts. I had a few accounts; a work related one and a couple personal ones. Ended up with a temporary ban on one from a dick head mod, and ALL of them got banned together for 7 days because of that with a message (forget the exact wording so I'm paraphrasing) basically saying "don't try to make another account to get around the ban because we'll still know its you". They're mining the shit out of user data now, and also really starting to connect the dots on multiple account holders which I'm guessing will be to "deal with" people who detract from their IPO goals. Glad I left.
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You can compile the infinity APK yourself with your own free API key and continue to use it. There are guides and automated scripts available that can do this for you.
Thats cool to know. Thanks!
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For those who don't know: Eternity (for Lemmy) is a fork of Infinity (for Reddit).
That's what I use, and it's great! I have been using Infinity with reddit for many years before switching.
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Dangit that's literally what I'm working on haha!
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For some reason, Spaz thinks he's Musk. It's funny that Spaz is destroying reddit the same way Mush destroyed twitter, well... not funny "ha ha", but funny 'odd'.
How stupid must they be?
Well in the reddit case there's a payoff and then one gets to walk away from the sinking ship. They just need to get things pumped up for the IPO and then who cares what happens from there. It's time to cash out and it becomes someone else's problem to deal with.
This IPO is the only thing that going to give them anything remotely near Musk money and it's not going to anywhere near at much where one can crash and burn another social media site for the hell of it...
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This is their way of destroying global communication. We the people were organising using their sites. That obviously couldn't happen so they threw the toys out of the pram and its worked. There is less of a global forum with reddit and twitter fkd.
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I'm happy to buy an app, but I will not pay a $3 subscription for just an app and access to a repository of user generated content. I know the Infinity devs don't really have a choice, but this pricing model is ridiculous!
My favorite bit of irony is how spez was throwing shade at third party apps for having the audacity to "profit" off reddits's work for free, when that is reddits's entire business model.
Narwhal prompted similarly. Haven’t even thought to look since. It’s dead to me now.
Relay for reddit was my choice for years and years.
As soon as that subscription deal popped up I uninstalled.
Hated to do that.. but I'm not paying reddit to feed me user generated content.
Boost for lemmy is the way now.
I could have written this comment word for word, except I'm on Sync now.
First Apolo, then Narwal, Alíen Blue barely works, but not able to log in or search for particular sub, which was the main reason I was still using it. No longer a redditor, I identify Ada Lemmor
Edit- I’m going to leave it like that. You win auto correct
Nice to meet you Ada Lemmor
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This is like seeing a photo of a friend that got murdered three months after they got killed just highlighting the corpse that is left.
It's like reading the Kobe Bryant autopsy report. Yeah it's awful, but it happened a long time ago and he was instantly dead before the really awful stuff happened anyway.
If I had been given the option to pay $3 or $5 a month in June to continue using Apollo to access Reddit with no restrictions (NSFW) I would have considered it. I trust Christian’s assessment that it wasn’t financially viable, though. The dev of this app admits at $3 they basically make nothing. If the app cannot be funded (aka dev make a living) Reddit is overcharging for what they provide and can go fuck themselves.
This basically still supports what Christian said in June…and still shows why Reddit was so stupid and toxic that they wouldn’t try to tweak the api dollar amounts to make it sustainable.
Fuck spez still. I admire what these devs are trying to do but Reddit does not want them to succeed, and Reddit does not want people using their apps…so it’s a losing battle
I love the pattern of prices. Price goes down but the last option is the most expensive.
It's a paradigm that defeats itself. Reddit is basically reselling access to shit that users freely submit. They start removing access from users who don't want to pay or use the official (bad experience) app, and they will necessarily have fewer submissions and less content.
If its a hassle to go there and use it, and the payment structure disincentivizes their young demographic from using it, it is no longer the "cool kid" corner of the internet, which further removes the reason why other people would want to pay for it.
Imagine I'm a hypothetical Reddit user under the new model - what would be my incentive to pay them for the privilege of posting links, quality text posts, my girlfriends tits, or anything else for that matter?
I hope the people who are willing to pay a monthly subscription on reddit are a very miniscule portion of the user base.
Here's the thing, reddit hopes so too. Reddit's goal isn't to make money on 3rd party apps, it's to price the api high enough to draw people to their free ad riddled dumpster fire of an app. It's the same reason you can't get nsfw subs on the api.
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Why did everybody have to close down if costs are fully covered with a $2.99 subscription? I probably would have paid for reddit is fun at that price for myself and my wife. Assuming it stays ad free.
No NSFW content though
Everyone couldn't have. The more users you have using a app the higher the API hits, the higher the number of API hits the more you'd have the charge. So the more popular apps with the most users couldn't survive ~~odd~~ on just $2.99 a month and certainly not while continuing to update and upkeep that app (or those apps) because they wouldn't be making any money let alone enough to justify the work they'd be doing.
Additionally this isn't an ad free version of Reddit you'll be getting with this sub. It's still Reddit with ads.
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