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Not really, pretty much no Arab country respects human rights. Israel does (of course if you are Israeli citizen and not Palestinian).
Despite that, it’s still far better than any country close to it.
“Respects human rights as long as you’re the right kind of human” is hardly something to be proud of
If you don't have human rights for a land's native population; you are a country that infringes on human rights. It's very simple. Plus, Palestine is a secular nation and it borders other secular nations like Lebanon (well at least the region of Palestine does). Unlike the country that believes in "old testament justice."
Even in Jordan, which is NOT a secular country, as long as you don't display physical affection in public (which is frowned upon on all groups) you'll be fine. I have even heard of white gay people moving to Amman because they said the people there mind their own business (I can't find the link to this anymore).
Well, you stated that in Amman people mind their own business when talking about gays, in Israel gays can adopt children. Does any other country around recognize gay relationships and allow them to adopt children? Are pride parades allowed anywhere in the region (apart from Israel)?
About Lebanon: maybe it is a secular country but still has been marked as an authoritarian regime by economist with a score of 3.56 (for comparison, Israel has a score of roughly 7.9). So I don't think we have to argue which regime is more oppressive towards the citizens.
You also mentioned that each country should have human rights for native population. I do not necessarily understand how that applies to Israel. Israel has laws for their citizens and Palestinian authorities have laws for Palestinians. The fact Palestinian government oppresses their people with their laws is not Israel's fault. There are many things Israel is guilty of but this is not one of them.
Palestinians live under Israeli Occupation and 50 years of dispossession. Palestinians are denied civil rights and subject to Military Court
At the mercy of Settler Violence, Torture and Abuse in Interrogations, have No freedom of movement, and also denied Water stolen and extorted by the occupying forces.
Palestinian Labor is also heavily exploited as they have no workers rights either: Haaretz, MEE, 972, CMEC
Gaza is under control by Israel's Blockade which is still internationally recognized as Occupation.
They are not Israeli citizens.
Let's take a look at the history of Arab Israelis within Israel proper. First, after the 1948 ethnic cleansing, the remaining Palestinian population within the new Israel were subject to Israel Martial Law and Defence (Emergency) Regulations, later practiced in the occupied territories after 1967.
Even today Arab Israelis are discriminated against as second class citizens including Education (2001 report).
Not nearly as brutal as Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, or Gaza, but they all live under Israeli Military Control. This is Apartheid, by international definitions.
Three main international treaties prohibit and/or explicitly criminalize apartheid: the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (ICERD), the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid (Apartheid Convention) and the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute).
Amnesty lays this out very well in the first chapter of its report.
Amnesty International Report
Human Rights Watch Report
B'TSelem Report with quick Explainer
That still does not change the fact they are not Israeli citizens.
Yes, that's the point of the apartheid. Glad we agree.
Here's a small fraction of just the summary of the Amnesty report. If you want details you will have to read it. Otherwise I do know of some videos that lay it out too.
Palestinians are not Israeli citizens, hence it’s not an apartheid.
Only if you make up your own definitions, ignore the multiple international definitions of Apartheid, and the reality of the occupation..
What did I make up and what part is occupied?
The Occupied Palestinian Territories are occupied..
I provided links for everything, no need take my word for it.
I am asking because when talking about illegally occupied territories, they are officially undisputed.
Yeah, because Israel doesn't treat the West Bank and Gaza as trash.
They do, but Palestinians are not Israeli citizens.
Gay parides aren't enough for me to consider Israelis humanitarians. Though it's nice they allow gay people to adopt.
It may not be enough but it’s still objectively better than any other country around.
Edit: Ok, I think I replied to the wrong post.
If you can't see that treating 10 to 15 million people is wrong (literally raping children) I don't see why you are discussing the few gay couples with kids. What exactly is objectively better. Even before this October crap, at least one Palestinian child died per hour.
May I ask which 10-15 million people are mistreated? Edit: grammar fix