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[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I don't know any, to be honest. If you're not just enjoying the hot beverage, flavor or even the effects of the caffeine, but rather you're dependent on it – as in, you fall into a bleak mood, if you can't have it – then yeah, I would categorize that as the same.

I mean, so long as your dependence doesn't negatively affect your or other people's lives, I don't really care. Personally, I just detest the thought of being dependent on specific substances.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

You are also dependent on various natural chemicals in the food you eat. Does that make you an <insert chemical> addict? It makes no sense. I could also find some "socially bad" chemical in foods you eat and harass you and look down upon you for it.

You are targeting caffeine with the negative social reputation of cocaine. Chocolate also has caffeine, just like green tea, yerba mate, tea or coffee. Does that make you a caffeine addict? Makes no sense. A teaspoon of cocoa powder has 12 mg caffeine, roughly 1/3rd of a cup of green tea. A cup of green tea has half the caffeine of tea and coffee.

If your caffeine consumption is within medically safe limits, you are not an addict. Personally, I limit my caffeine intake to under 80 mg a day, 40 of which is green tea, then comes cocoa powder milkshake and chocolate products. In comparison, a Starbucks Venti has 330 mg caffeine, and a Red Bull and a regular coffee cup have 75-80 mg caffeine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I could also find some "socially bad" chemical in foods you eat and harass you and look down upon you for it.

Half my message was specifically written to say that I don't do this. People look like drug addicts to me. And I'm not looking down on drug addicts.

You are also dependent on various natural chemicals in the food you eat.

Yes, I'm not a fan of that either. Doesn't mean, I can change it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Anyone who consumes <insert chemical> does not become an addict by default. You yourself consume technology, and are not a hermit living on Himalayas. There is no "purity" in you, just as there is no "purity" in "drug addicts" you label coffee drinkers as. I am not even a coffee drinker and find it insanely stupid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Yes, I did not say so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Coffee withdrawal for many people includes vicious headaches, aside from the everyday uselessness of addicts before their first cup each day

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Green tea and yerba mate have a lot of theobromine, so they lack the jittery effect of coffee or the dependence of black/milk tea. Other Indian/Chinese therapeutic teas are also helpful if one needs a deeper dive.