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French President Emmanuel Macron met with parliamentary parties on Thursday. During the meeting Macron said he was open to the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine, as announced by, according to French newspaper L’Independant.

Fabien Roussel, a representative of the French Communist Party, said after the meeting that “Macron referenced a scenario that could lead to intervention [of French troops]: the advancement of the front towards Odesa or Kyiv.”

He noted that the French President showed parliamentarians maps of the possible directions of strikes by Russian troops in Ukraine.

Following the meeting, Jordan Bardella of the far-right National Rally party noted that “there are no restrictions and no red lines” in Macron’s approach.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 8 months ago (4 children)

This is a remarkable turn around of two years ago when Macron warned about not to humiliate Putin.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yeah it really is. It's apparently pissing off Germany in particular within the EU - versus it's size and other nations, France has provided relatively little in aid compared to Germany, UK, US, and Macron initially undermined the joint front being put forward as you say. Now he is grandstanding and seemingly trying to "lead" while also seemingly advocating escalation.

Everyone else is treading a fine line between confronting Putin and not escalating things further.

For what it's worth, I actually do think we should be doing more because Putin is a dangerous tyrant and appeasement over the past 20 years hasn't worked. He invaded Georgia and now Ukraine twice, he interferes in global elections undermining democracy and he is an authoritarian dictator who wants to expand his influence further into his neighbours. But Macron is not a credible leader for that, and whatever happens needs to be co-ordinated and carefully actioned - where there is more sanctions, or targeted military support.

Sadly the US, UK and Germany are also all led by weak leaders and for now there is no credible leader to galvanise western democracies to work better together. I don't see any strong up and coming leaders in the forthcoming UK and US elections (barring a surprise in the US elections given the age of the candidates; and even then it'd likely be Kamala Harris or Nikki Haley, neither of whom seem likely to be much difference), Germany is unlikely to yield a leader in the near future. That does ironically leave the next French presidential election as the best opportunity for someone better to emerge, but I suspect it will degenerate into another "anyone but Le Pen" election.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

Russia's hot engagements in Burkina Faso, Central Africa, Mali and Syria, the various degrees of meddling in e.g. Armenia, Moldova and Yemen, and the 20 years of general political "influencing" all across Africa and the Arab countries are often neglected. This is why parts of the Western public don't understand the need to contain Russia. It's a wannabe worldwide player, and it's corrupt as hell. Allowed to have its way, it'll turn every country into a vassal autocracy, Soviet-union style.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Macron is highly inconsistent because dude pays a bunch of consulting companies, he's basically their mouthpiece at this point. There is a political compass meme that shows just how much contradictory bullshit he has said.

If the wind starts to smell like a Russian victory he'd throw himself under Russian balls

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Yup, but now that Putin managed to do so himself, Macron doesn't need to avoid it anymore.

"Besides, I think that Napoleon guy was on to something"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

While I don't know the full context of that remark, power in Russia and most of the rest of Asia places great emphasis in "saving face". So if diplomacy is still a possibility to defuse a conflict with an Asian power, providing them an out where they are not humiliated is crucial. If an out is provided in which they are clearly in top but also have to face humiliation, it will not be taken.