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[–] [email protected] 17 points 7 months ago (2 children)

All the invasions of Iran, Afganistan, Vietnam, Syria, etc where unjustfied invasions

  • The US has never invaded Iran
  • Afganistan was completely justified; the US could not let 9/11 go. Few countries in the world disputed this at the time, even among those unfriendly to the US. You can certainly criticize how it played out--I sure as hell do.
  • Vietnam, yeah, not going to argue there
  • Syria was a complex 13 way clusterfuck. We supported a specific side against another specific side, mostly with material and air support, and some limited ground support. It's not exactly an invasion, but this is certainly another place where it's more about how it played out than the support in itself.
[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Maybe he meant Iraq? I think Afghanistan taught us a lesson in what we've become. We were a country that could bomb another into the ground, but then rebuild it into a functional society. Regardless of the morals of that, japan and south korea are functional if unhappy. Unhappiness describes life, but I feel like the contracting on top of contacting and the line goes up profit obsession infected out zeitgeist so deeply, we are no longer capable of rebuilding what we destroy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Maybe did mean Iraq, but I'm not about to give a russiabot the benefit of doubt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Eh I don't think we failed at nation building in Afghanistan because we're incapable of it, but because we didn't take the time to understand Afghan society and we weren't putting enough resources towards construction.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

I did mean Iraq, but Iran is not much better. US staged a coup in Iran to get a puppet government https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Release_of_U.S._government_records_and_official_acknowledgement Afganistan is not justified, you don't invade an entire country because of a terroist attack. It was an excuse, just like the Patriot Act for more imperisalism and antidemocratic actions. Calling things invasions are semantics, more important is the bigger picture. US has huge influnace in the region thorug coups and military invasions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

NATO did not invade Iraq, the US did. You are conflating things.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

NATO is heavily influenced by US. When they ask other countries to join, they wear a NATO hat, when they invade other countries they where their counturies independent hats that just so happens to be in NATO.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Oops you admit they are not the same, but try to confuse the issue with "influence". Followed by more with "hat" which is lol worthy. NATO did not invade Iraq. The US did.

Something tells me you're trying to be intentionally obtuse trying to conflate everything so ciao

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Afganistan is not justified, you don’t invade an entire country because of a terroist attack.

You do when that country's leadership is deliberately giving those terrorists a base. Again, few other countries at the time disputed this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The current winner in the Middle East is Russia

Since they are allowed to support the killing of civilians and suppression of rights they have Iran, Iraq, and Syria

You can see how hard it is for the US to even have a foothold there with the Israel conflict. Which they are forced to support because of the above