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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago (21 children)

Strange that the article would say that when, in point of fact, the US is also working plans for lunar nuclear power. It's really the only sensible way to power a moon base with current technology, so anyone who is considering one is working designs for a nuclear power plant.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (6 children)

How do you cool a nuclear reactor on the moon?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

The ground would probably work fine as a heat sink.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The big problem with space is overheating. Space may be cold but there is no way to get rid of that heat except for radiators. Convection doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Right, but conduction does work on the moon. You have the ground as a giant heatsink. While the surface does get pretty hot in daylight, I am guessing that heat doesn't go very deep so you could probably bury your cooling lines.

It just requires humans up there to dig and bury the cooling lines.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Probably a stupid question but how can it be cold if there's no heat transfer?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago

it's kindof neither.
Our normal sense of hot/cold is a measure of how hot the particles around us are. Space has so few particles, that whole paradigm breaks down.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Technically space is hot since temperature is a function of average particle movement and spaceborne particles are mostly moving stupid fast. Fortunately there are very few particles in any given volume of “empty” space so that translates to space being “cold”.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Only at night.

The lunar exosphere is too skimpy to trap or spread the Sun's energy, so differences between sunlit and shadowed areas on the Moon are extreme. Temperatures near the Moon's equator can spike to 250°F (121°C) in daylight, then plummet after nightfall to -208°F (-133°C).

https://science.nasa.gov/moon/weather-on-the-moon/

Which sounds like a pretty big challenge for a nuclear reactor. Maybe they only plan to put them on the poles?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That was my first thought, but then my second thought was even more terrifying - how do you protect your nuclear power facility from celestial impacts? The moon must get pelted with thousands of little bits of space debris every day considering it has no atmosphere. All it would take is a basketball-sized meteorite to slam into the reactor chamber and possibly cause a meltdown.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Cover it with a ton of moon soil

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

We'll take a second moon, cut it in half, and use it as a shield for the first moon

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Go Thorium MSR and bury it underground and you don't really have to worry about it. Might need some modification for moon gravity but otherwise seems like the best bet.

https://www.thmsr.com/overview/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

That's a challenge that people are working on for sure. Likely some kind of radiant cooling, but it's a lot of heat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Heat also dissipates via radiation, not just conduction. I would imagine that nuclear power on the moon won’t involve hauling a lot of liquid coolant/heat exchanger/energy transfer because liquids are wicked heavy, hauling that up to orbit and then landing it is gonna take a lot of energy. They do acknowledge that cooling is an issue they’re working on.

Maybe some kind of RTG? I couldn’t find an article that said what the NASA contractors chose to build.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

No, RTGs just don't generate the kind of power you'd need. I mean, they're awesome for generating electricity for a long time, but just not a lot of it. No, these are fission plants.

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