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Apple spyware? Cute that you make shit up to justify your victimhood. The vendors that install actual spyware appreciate your ignorance.
Right, Apple is a champion of open source and transparency.
That wasn't the accusation.
There are many who use Apple laptops as Linux laptops.
I don't understand your initial point. He's talking about what you get when you buy a new PC. If you buy an Apple PC, you'll get Apple spyware. It doesn't imply anything about some Apple buyers putting Linux on their PCs
Apple spyware means exactly what to you? You can't just make shit up because you hate Apple. Then on top of that expect someone who is more knowledgeable to accept your ignorance.
When people ask for advice and reject the most common paths that professional take because they cannot get over their own ignorance, they aren't actually asking for advice. They are playing victim and looking for their fellow ignorants to ditto them.
I 100% guarantee you that any Apple product is collecting your data and squeezing as much profit as possible out of it. Why? well, Why not!
Source: trust me bro
The source is common sense, same way I know that they turn off the lights at night.
They can do it, they have the incentive to do it, there is nobody to tell them not to do it
And just because they're open source linux distros are immune to this?
I don't think so, this is not a cultural war, evil will try to penetrate every system.
Of course it will be more difficult in a transparent system
Except it's not. It's great that you understand most companies are positioned this way but Apple is not. I don't expect anyone in a technology forum that cannot understand the nuances.
Paranoia is good but if you choose Google because you falsely believe you have no choice because everyone else is doing it too, then cool.
I am no pied piper and I wouldn't want it any other way. I abhor groupthink and while I will never refrain from pointing out the obvious cases of it, I couldn't care less if anyone listened. People far smarter than I have written on the folly of arguing in these instances.
Same with Windows computers. You make no sense
There are a lot of smart people making sure Apple hardware supports Linux. There is a limited number of variations, the hardware itself has high built quality and Apple pushes support into the Linux community so the hardware can more easily run Linux.
The same cannot be said about any random windows laptop.
As others have noted, if you want a Linux first laptop, there are options.
However this idea that Apple spies on its users has no merit. It's a claim I have only witnessed being made by the witless.
I've been in the internet long enough to know not to expect fools to accept they are fools.
Unlike the morons of the internet, I am always ready to be proven wrong. However, it doesn't look like that's about to happen here.
According to the current class action lawsuit, the privacy settings for the app store do nothing. So consent doesn't matter. Building a digital fingerprint after explicitly saying they don't might be called spying.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/01/09/apple-privacy-tracking-lawsuit/
Have you considered that your approach may contribute to your difficulties dealing with such people? The tone of your messages is extremely aggressive.
No, I'm good. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not even expecting to challenge anyone's techno-religion. At best I would say this is devil advocacy but it's not quite that since it's not about what I believe or do not believe. But it's about what others believe and the display of fervent belief in others intrigue me, especially where it exists in the face of clear unambiguous reality.
For example, Trump supporters fascinate me in this same way. People say being nice is a better approach there as well, but i am not trying to deal with them or change their minds either. In that situation I refer to it as stick poking.
Again, it's the belief that intrigues me. The sociology behind it is understudied.
Educate yourself fruity,
Apple does spy on you
You made the accusation, you back it up. I'm not doing the leg work for you.
Here are a few examples, but if you do some research like I told you to, you'll stumble upon many more:
https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-privacy-dsid-analytics-personal-data-test-1849807619
https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-now/
https://www.kaspersky.com/about/press-releases/2023_kaspersky-discloses-iphone-hardware-feature-vital-in-operation-triangulation-case
only person that cites sources instead of just being a kind of aggressive tool, this post deserves to be at the top fs
Click bait
Click bait
Hardware flaw
None of this is spyware. Not a single piece.
If I cared I could have guessed these were some of the examples you added to your "Apple is bad head cannon" but these still aren't what is being alleged by the original poster, spyware.
At best you can claim Apple is using terms and conditions to add wiggle room but again, not spyware.
I asked if you know what spyware is but I get that it doesn't matter. Your head cannon is unbeatable and it's easier to dismiss me as a no nothing asshole. The crowd has spoke, this technology forum is more interested in groupthink than technology.
What are your sources for debunking mine?
Besides you just not liking to face the truth?
Blanket surveillance is not clickbait,
it's spyware, and a problem.
But sure continue to stick your head in the sand,
that will surely help humanity beat this problem.
For starters:
In the worst case, this leaks App Store searches. Who cares? You’re already carrying a cellphone which is substantially more intrusive. Your carrier is likely selling your location and demographic data as you speak.
Zero investigation was done about what this tool does besides just opening a network connection. For all we know, it could be merely be downloading a DB to fix up/normalize EXIF fields.
Even Kaspersky says it was likely a test/debug feature.
You’re not advocating privacy, you’re advocating pedantry without respect to the larger picture. Do consider your fingerprint and how unique it is (likely) being a Linux user on Firefox with a number of adblocking addons blocking certain types of traffic. You are substantially easier to track despite trying to embrace privacy.
The Linux community is the absolute worst part of using Linux.
Interesting point about non-conventional cookie practices flagging "privacy-first" users as unique to spying parties. I'd imagine this line of thinking harmonizes with the herd mentality, where if you stand outside of the herd you're more likely to be spotted and targeted. Makes you wonder what practices users could engage to actually help combat privacy invasion, and which might backfire
Yup, exactly! If your fingerprint is 1-in-10 it'd be easy to pick you out. If your fingerprint is 1-in-50,000,000, it'd take far more work.
I think the solution is for privacy protections to be established as a default on platforms used by a lot of people but there's very little incentive for Google to do this, and I don't think Microsoft cares.
For better-or-worse, Apple is the only major (well, double-digit marketshare) platform remotely attempting this right now. Consider their blocking advertising trackers for all users of Mobile Safari. You can't really narrow down Safari users by "those who use privacy protection" and "those who are on vanilla installs".
There aren't enough Linux users to hide amongst so I suppose the next best thing is to get your fingerprint to match a typical user on another widely-used platform. In this example, pretending to be Safari.
Lol, I'm done discussing with you fruity.
You're blatantly ignoring / laughing away evidence to protect the image of a bad, but for some reason, you're favorite spyware slinging company.
And on top of it,
now also bashing the privacy and linux communities since you can't make valid debunkments :P
Instead of bashing,
to suck up to that spying company,
perhaps you should try defending your rights to privacy for a change.
You may rant in the void now,
I won't waste time on your fanboy nonsense anymore.
No, I’m waving away reactionary nonsense.
But keep pretending like you know what you’re doing because you’ve made your competency level clear as day here.
Yet another “privacy advocate” not knowing what they’re doing.
Apple's entire schtick is the walled off garden where they can control what you're allowed to do and yes they spy on it
You keep making that claim about spying without attempting to back it up.
You're confusing me with others, just the once, but hey, you're free to lick apple's boots. Fairly common knowledge that just about everything corporation that can include spyware does. You think Apple doesn't track every purchase you make on their platform and utilize that data in reference to your name, phone number, email, geo-location, bundle it altogether and sell to advertisers?
Yes. Free to think it because it's true. Apple doesn't sell their users out, they get their money up front on the hardware....the thing people like you call the Apple Tax.
Your memory is short. It passes through their servers. It may have much less attack vectors from a technical standpoint. That matters not when they give your data away to governments.