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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You couldn't hurt me if you tried, it's just that this is not a basis for discussion.

And maybe look at the sources yourself, does it say Israel and IDF are the sole cause and the only side to blame for this? That part is just your interpretation.

And actually I'm curious, what do you think how Israel should react to the attacks? Roll over and take it to the chin? Just surrender and let the killings and rocket attacks happen? Because apparently Hamas outsmarted them and human shield tactics are supposed to work? Better directly surrender then, since confronting Hamas is equal to genocide? Is that it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Still vehemently denying that Israel is committing genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.

You're just unable to accept it. Literally. You will not be able to address a single article of the UN and OCHR I've linked and accept them as reality. Do you not understand how childish it is to pretend that second hand Israeli propaganda is more credible than the rest of the world combined?

Prove me wrong and address these WOMEN AND CHILDREN BEING PURPOSEFULLY KILLED BY ISRAEL.

It makes my stomach hurt knowing that people like you exist, that people will defend a genocide, of slaughtering children, while pretending they care about children dying.

It's insane.

"How do you think Israel should react"

How about by not committing genocide? That's a good start, in my opinion. How about not using collective punishment, which is a LITERAL WAR CRIME?

So you think Israel shouldn't be held to the standards of international laws, and should be allowed to act like an international terrorist organisation, and should be allowed to continue a literal GENOCIDE?

Imagine if you had lived 90 years earlier and you'd have to listen to non-Jewish Germans going on about "well Germany shouldn't just sit and take these [a horrible ethnic insult] taking over our jobs and industries. They're all to blame for! Let's get them in the gas chambers! It's ONLY REASONABLE!"

You sicken me. Prove me wrong and address even one of these articles.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/

#West Bank: Spike in Israeli Killings of Palestinian Children

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children

##2022 becomes the deadliest year for Palestinian children in the West Bank in over 15 years

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/2022-becomes-deadliest-year-palestinian-children-west-bank-over-15-years

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/un-human-rights-office-opt-unlawful-killings-gaza-city

##Israel is knowingly and willingly killing women and children, in horrific amounts.

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm

##Two Thirds of Gaza War Dead Are Women and Children, Briefers Say, as Security Council Debates Their Plight

Sima Sami Bahous, Executive Director of the United Nations Entity for Gender Equality and the Empowerment of Women (UN-Women), recalled that women and girls pay the highest price when armed conflict erupts. Since 7 October, when Hamas fighters attacked Israel, 67 per cent of the more than 14,000 people killed in Gaza are estimated to be women and children. “That is two mothers killed every hour and seven women every two hours,” she said. “We mourn them all.”

Every day, 180 women are giving birth without water, painkillers, anaesthesia for Caesarean sections, electricity for incubators or medical supplies, she said. Mothers, meanwhile, mix baby formula with contaminated water — when they find it — and go without food so that their children can live another day. “Women in Gaza have told us that they pray for peace, but that if peace does not come, they pray for a quick death, in their sleep, with their children in their arms,” she said. “It should shame us all that any mother, anywhere, has such a prayer.”

https://www.ohchr.org/en/stories/2024/01/gaza-massive-human-rights-crisis-and-humanitarian-disaster

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/over-one-hundred-days-war-israel-destroying-gazas-food-system-and

#Over one hundred days into the war, Israel destroying Gaza’s food system and weaponizing food, say UN human rights experts

"WEAPONISING FOOD"

And you're still defending them. Disgustingly inhumane.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean for real, you're accusing me of falling for Israel propaganda but don't you see how you are using propaganda rhetoric yourself? Like always twisting my words and not only mine, you're misrepresenting your sources.

Like Mrs Bahous "women and children pay the highest price" of course that's spot on and nothing about it is controversial. But given that, how do you jump to the conclusion that Israel is genociding the people of palestine? Or that Israel is actively targeting women and children? These are entirely different things.

And always throwing this accusation of genocide around as if it is the killer argument to end all discussion. And it's not true I'm sorry. Did Israel not publicly announce their military campaign weeks in advance and tell people to evacuate from the northern regions and the conflict zones? Don't they have this roof knocking thing going on? Are these not facts? Are these not measures to minimize the civilian deaths? Is this what genocide looks like to you? How on earth does this make sense if Israel is on a mission to kill all civilians and eradicate the people of palestine? Don't you see the contradiction? It's so stupid, when at the same time you could have argued that maybe Israels reaction is out of proportion or maybe their cost-benefit analysis is off. That would have given your arguments so much more credibility and could have been a meaningful basis for discussion. But no, it always has to be all or nothing, Israel is the evil zionist empire conspiring to control the world and genociding peaceful civilians out of pure and baseless hate.

And you're evading my arguments and also my questions if they become to hard? If civilian deaths=automatic genocide and if Hamas is hiding among civilians, then what should Israels reaction have been? And please don't give me any bullshit answers. I'm not asking what they should have done in the past and I'm not asking what they should not have done. I'm asking what do you think would be the appropriate reaction to this recent episode of the conflict.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"No no no it's not true, you're the one who's brainwashed, it's the UN who's brainwashed, it's the entire rest of the world who are brainwashed, not me despite me being unable to link a single source."

You're vehemently denying genocide.

Sick fuck.

Did Israel not publicly announce their military campaign weeks in advance and tell people to evacuate from the northern regions and the conflict zones?

If you weren't a delusional brainwashed idiot, you'd know that this, like several other excuses you've used, doesn't matter in the slightest when it comes to war crimes. Announcing you're gonna do a war crime doesn't absolve you of it, dumbo.

Just like I said, you can't address a single source, but cry that they're all Hamas propaganda. Weird how they've manage to convince the entire rest of the world, huh? Weird how all the evidence points to Israel committing genocide.

"Why aren't you engaging with my pathetic attempts at excusing Israel's crimes against humanity despite me now having any source to back up my claims, only pitiful propaganda"

Cry and stomp your foot all you want kid, your mind is not your own. You will not be able to accept reality, despite knowing what it is.

Israel bombs hospitals and schools. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-of-hospitals-and-schools-as-crimes-against-humanity-call-for-prevention-of-genocide/

The experts raised serious humanitarian and legal concerns over Israel tightening its 16-year siege of the enclave and its population and long-standing occupation, depriving 2.2 million people of essential food, fuel, water, electricity and medicine. An estimated 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza, are in desperate need of prenatal and postnatal care. The number of internally displaced people across the Gaza Strip is estimated at around one million.

There's more than 10 000 dead kids.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/

The Gaza Strip is a graveyard for thousands of children, the United Nations has said.

Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.

But I guess a random kid like you online knows better than the United Nations and we should trust you when you roll on the floor crying "no no no no no it's not real everyone else is wrong Israel isn't the baddy we're not doing a genocide"?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Where did I talk about absolution? You're doing it again, you're being dishonest and you refuse to even acknowledge what I'm saying. How is it not you rolling on the floor crying foul? And you want sources for the obvious? Like what, you want sources on the roof knocking or the public announcement? Is that your best counter argument?

And no, it is not the rest of the world and it is not the United Nations that stand united against Israel. You want me to post a source on how the US, UK, Germany and 56 other countries voted last time? If you want to convince anyone please stick to the facts!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I've talked with thousands of brainwashed people like you.

The way to convince "someone" is to show how strong your brainwashing is. Not to you, perhaps, but the internet at large. You're doing it right now.

I've told you several times; you're so delusional (refusing to see reality despite understanding it's there), that you literally, physically, CAN NOT address even a single one of the UNITED NATIONS sources that show the IDF killing women and children on purpose, and you fucking dare to imply it's their fault because some Palestinians fought back against the genocide.

You literally can not address the facts on this issue. If all this UN and international shit is wrong, PROVE IT.

You can't link a single source for your outrageous delusions, because there is none. There only place where your kind of rhetoric appears is like "thetimesofisrael" whereas THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD agrees that Israel is committing war crimes and genociding Palestinians.

Or are you now pretending you've literally not seen any of the dozens and dozens of links I've posted on the matter? How about this. Address the sources, instead of crying "noooooo, Israel isn't genociding anyone and I know better than the majority of the international community and the UN".

I've seen Flat Earthers who think more with their own brain than you.

Please, do tell me how I've made up these sources and am "misrepresenting them"? Where are your sources? Why is it that you can't even challenge a single assertion with sources of your own? Is it perhaps because you know Israel is genociding Palestinians, but you literally, physically, can not accept that that is what is happening.

I'm not using "delusional" as an insult. It's an apt medical term that describes what you're doing right now.

delusional

/dɪˈl(j)uːʒən(ə)l/ adjective characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgements about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition. "hospitalization for schizophrenia and delusional paranoia"

Israel bombs hospitals and schools. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-of-hospitals-and-schools-as-crimes-against-humanity-call-for-prevention-of-genocide/

The experts raised serious humanitarian and legal concerns over Israel tightening its 16-year siege of the enclave and its population and long-standing occupation, depriving 2.2 million people of essential food, fuel, water, electricity and medicine. An estimated 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza, are in desperate need of prenatal and postnatal care. The number of internally displaced people across the Gaza Strip is estimated at around one million.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/

#The Gaza Strip is a graveyard for thousands of children, the United Nations has said.

Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/01/israel-must-comply-with-key-icj-ruling-ordering-it-do-all-in-its-power-to-prevent-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/

The ruling issued by the ICJ ordered six provisional measures including for Israel to refrain from acts under the Genocide convention, prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to genocide, and take immediate and effective measures to ensure the provision of humanitarian assistance to civilians in Gaza. Crucially, the Court also ordered Israel to preserve evidence of genocide and to submit a report to the Court, within one month, of all measures taken in line with its order.

Do you know what the "ICJ" stands for? International Court of Justice

So at this point you saying "no there's no genocide" is literally as delusional as saying "Bill Cosby never sexually assaulted anyone"

But hey, all you need to do to prove you're not a brainwashed shill is actually address the legitimate sources I link. You haven't. For dozens of comments. This exchange between us isn't for you. It's an example to anyone else, about people like you.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide

(The Hague) – The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/israel-and-palestine

Shortly thereafter, Israeli authorities cut off essential services, including water and electricity, to Gaza’s population and blocked the entry of all but a trickle of fuel and critical humanitarian aid, acts of collective punishment that amount to war crimes and were ongoing at time of writing. Israeli air strikes incessantly pounded Gaza, hitting schools and hospitals and reducing large parts of neighborhoods to rubble, including in attacks that were apparently unlawful. Israeli forces also unlawfully used white phosphorous in densely populated areas. They ordered the evacuation of all people from northern Gaza and displaced an estimated 85 percent of Gaza’s population—1.9 million people—as of December 11. More than 18,700 Palestinians, most of them civilians, including more than 7,800 children, were killed between October 7 and December 12, according to Gaza authorities.

"HRW" stands for "Human Rights Watch", but you don't seem to believe in human rights so guess you'll ignore those as well.

There is nothing in this world that would break your programming. It's sickening. I'm verry sorry that you've been put through that, since you even actually regaining independent thought seems rather impossible. Thus, using the word "delusional" to describe you is not a personal insult in any way, it's the most apt descriptor. You literally can not address a single one of these articles, DESPITE VEHEMENTLY DENYING THEM.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

So let's have a look at your sources. The first one from UN. Does it say Israel is the sole responsible party? Does it state that it is Israel or rather Hamas who puts palestine at the risk of genocide? It does not. The second one from aljazeera talks about legal concerns. So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That's what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources. Your stuff doesn't hold up to basic fact checks. Shall I go on? And all of that is not even necessary when even there are plenty of legit ways to criticize Israel.

On top if that you fail to present any ideas on what Israel should be doing instead, how they should improve their ways or what alternatives options there might be. In a way I don't blame you, I also have no better ideas and that's probably because there are no better options.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Sole responsible party"

For the genocide and collective punishment they are inflicting, yes of course they are.

Just how hard is it for you to understand that using terrorist attacks as an excuse for GENOCIDE doesn't fly?

Still, you've not a single source.

So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That’s what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources.

"Mummy, what is a strawman...?"

What you mean is that** "I'm too brainwashed to read even the excerpts you link, so I'm gonna pretend like there's nothing bad happening, as I've been doing all the time." **

How many kids are dead in Israel? That's weird. When I write "how many dead kids in israel" to Google, there's no mention of any dead Israeli kids anywhere, but several articles detailing THE GENOCIDE OF GAZAN CHILDREN. Which you just brush off as "legal concerns". You don't see how utterly, twisted, perverted, sick and fucking wrong that is? Shame on you. You arguing this, being pro-genocide of children literally makes me feel like vomiting. I don't know how you can live withyourself in denial like that. It's disgusting.

Let's look at the first three results on google for "how many dead israeli kids"

1st result: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/

#Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.

2nd result: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war

RAMALLAH, 11 January 2023 – More than 10,000 children have been killed by Israeli airstrikes and ground operations in Gaza in nearly 100 days of violence, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza, with thousands more missing, presumed buried under rubble, Save the Children said.

The latest data from the Ministry of Health in Gaza shows more than 10,000 of Gaza’s 1.1 million children - or 1% of the total child population – have been killed since an attack on Israel on 7 October [1] and the assault on Gaza that has followed. The war will have been ongoing for 100 days on Sunday 14 January.

Children in Gaza surviving the violence are enduring unspeakable horrors, including life-changing injuries, burns, disease, inadequate medical care, and losing their parents and other loved ones. They have been forced to flee violence, often repeatedly, with no safe place to go, and face the terror of an uncertain future. About 1,000 children in Gaza have lost one or both of their legs, many having them amputated without anesthetic, and will require a lifetime of medical care.

The relief workers in Gaza have said there's a new acronym in play: "WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family."

And you still sit there and DENY that genocide? Tell me, what sort of feelings does it elicit in Jewish people when someone pretends like the Holocaust didn't happen? Because even in me, a non-Jewish person, that raises anger and disbelief in that someone could be so brainwashed. That's what's happening to you, right now. You're denying something that is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE. Meaning you are DELUSIONAL.

There aren't "legal concerns", THERE'S A VERDICT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. I don't know if you missed that because you simply refuse to read it or because it's just too much for your brain to read an entire comment if it's not a one-line meme.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide

(The Hague) –** The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered** provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

Is that hard for you to read? Let's make it bigger, shall we.

##include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

Do you understand why there's "punish incitement to commit genocide"? Because the Israeli officials have been calling for genocide, publicly. Their fucking DEFENCE MINISTER has said that they are fighting "human animals". That is called DEHUMANISATION and it's an important part of genocidal rhetoric. Pretending you don't understand this is pathetic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza#

Yoav Gallant, Israel’s defence minister, whose call for a total siege of Gaza as part of a battle against “human animals” was noted by the court on Friday, said the ICJ had “granted South Africa’s antisemitic request”.

Netanyahu himself has said he won't listen to the Hague. So the leader of a country committing genocide is saying they won't follow international laws they've agreed to follow as members of the UN.

And you pretend none of this exists or is real. You are a pathetic and disgusting human being for denying the genocide of the Palestinians.

You still haven't been able to show a single source to support any of your arguments. You just shake your head "no no no no no no mummmy it's not true we're not the baddies". Disgusting.

Also, the majority of the sources you've ignored are the UN and the OCHR themselves, not that you would know what the OCHR stands for.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements-and-speeches/2023/12/genocide-can-and-must-be-prevented-turk-declares

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/gaza-is-running-out-of-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-a-ceasefire-to-prevent-genocide/

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/israeloccupied-palestinian-territory-un-experts-deplore-attacks-civilians

And most of these are from last year, when the situation was dire, but not that dire.

You're a brainwashed propaganda-bot, nothing more. Deal with it or wake the fuck up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Sole responsible party"

For the genocide and collective punishment they are inflicting, yes of course they are.

Just how hard is it for you to understand that using terrorist attacks as an excuse for GENOCIDE doesn't fly?

Still, you've not a single source.

So legal concerns=proof of genocide? That’s what I mean when I say you are misrepresenting your sources.

What you mean is that "I'm too brainwashed to read even the excerpts you link, so I'm gonna pretend like there's nothing bad happening, as I've been doing all the time."

How many kids are dead in Israel? That's weird. When I write "how many dead kids in israel" to Google, there's no mention of any dead Israeli kids anywhere, but several articles detailing THE GENOCIDE OF GAZAN CHILDREN. Which you just brush off as "legal concerns". You don't see how utterly, twisted, perverted, sick and fucking wrong that is? Shame on you. You arguing this, being pro-genocide of children literally makes me feel like vomiting. I don't know how you can live withyourself in denial like that. It's disgusting.

Let's look at the first three results on google for "how many dead israeli kids"

1st result: https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2024/israel-war-on-gaza-10000-children-killed/

#Since October 7, Israeli attacks have killed at least 10,000 children, according to Palestinian officials. That is one Palestinian child killed every 15 minutes, or about one out of every 100 children in the Gaza Strip.

2nd result: https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war

RAMALLAH, 11 January 2023 – More than 10,000 children have been killed by Israeli airstrikes and ground operations in Gaza in nearly 100 days of violence, according to the Ministry of Health in Gaza, with thousands more missing, presumed buried under rubble, Save the Children said.

The latest data from the Ministry of Health in Gaza shows more than 10,000 of Gaza’s 1.1 million children - or 1% of the total child population – have been killed since an attack on Israel on 7 October [1] and the assault on Gaza that has followed. The war will have been ongoing for 100 days on Sunday 14 January.

Children in Gaza surviving the violence are enduring unspeakable horrors, including life-changing injuries, burns, disease, inadequate medical care, and losing their parents and other loved ones. They have been forced to flee violence, often repeatedly, with no safe place to go, and face the terror of an uncertain future. About 1,000 children in Gaza have lost one or both of their legs, many having them amputated without anesthetic, and will require a lifetime of medical care.

The relief workers in Gaza have said there's a new acronym in play: "WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family."

And you still sit there and DENY that genocide? Tell me, what sort of feelings does it elicit in Jewish people when someone pretends like the Holocaust didn't happen? Because even in me, a non-Jewish person, that raises anger and disbelief in that someone could be so brainwashed. That's what's happening to you, right now. You're denying something that is INCONTROVERTIBLY TRUE. Meaning you are DELUSIONAL.

There aren't "legal concerns", THERE'S A VERDICT FROM THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE. I don't know if you missed that because you simply refuse to read it or because it's just too much for your brain to read an entire comment if it's not a one-line meme.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide

(The Hague) –** The International Court of Justice (ICJ) ordered** provisional measures on January 26, 2024, in South Africa’s case alleging that Israel is violating the Genocide Convention, Human Rights Watch said today. The court adopted “provisional measures,” or binding orders, that include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

Is that hard for you to read? Let's make it bigger, shall we.

##include requiring Israel to prevent genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, enable the provision of basic services and humanitarian assistance, and prevent and punish incitement to commit genocide.

Do you understand why there's "punish incitement to commit genocide"? Because the Israeli officials have been calling for genocide, publicly. Their fucking DEFENCE MINISTER has said that they are fighting "human animals". That is called DEHUMANISATION and it's an important part of genocidal rhetoric. Pretending you don't understand this is pathetic.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/26/un-court-orders-israel-to-ensure-acts-of-genocide-are-not-committed-in-gaza#

Yoav Gallant, Israel’s defence minister, whose call for a total siege of Gaza as part of a battle against “human animals” was noted by the court on Friday, said the ICJ had “granted South Africa’s antisemitic request”.

Netanyahu himself has said he won't listen to the Hague. So the leader of a country committing genocide is saying they won't follow international laws they've agreed to follow as members of the UN.

And you pretend none of this exists or is real. You are a pathetic and disgusting human being for denying the genocide of the Palestinians.

You still haven't been able to show a single source to support any of your arguments. You just shake your head "no no no no no no mummmy it's not true we're not the baddies". Disgusting.