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Poilievre says 'biological males' should be banned from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms (www.cbc.ca)
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Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre stepped into the debate over trans rights on Wednesday, saying "biological males" should be banned from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms.

"Female spaces should be exclusively for females, not for biological males," Poilievre said in Kitchener, Ont.

The Conservative leader made the comments after being asked if, as prime minister, he would introduce legislation to prevent "transgender women" or "biological men" from participating in female sports or entering female prisons and shelters.

"A lot of the spaces … are provincially and municipally controlled, so it is unclear ... what reach federal legislation would have to change them," Poilievre said.

"But obviously female sports, female change rooms, female bathrooms should be for females, not for biological males," he added.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Honestly I think this is just a bad take. I didn’t see it on lemmy so I’m posting it (never done this before).

For athletes and competitive sports, realistically that’s a discussion that you need nuance for.

Blocking trans women (and not men for some reason) from change rooms and washrooms? Are there even cases where trans women are creating issues? Lesbians are perfectly capable of ogling women in those spaces anyway.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are there even cases where trans women are creating issues?

Pretty sure that's purely a right-wing boogeyman. And, let's face it: a man who wants to spy on women in a washroom just needs a janitor's coverall and some small cameras they can plant while "cleaning" or "performing repairs".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

And, let’s face it: a man who wants to spy on women in a washroom just needs a janitor’s coverall and some small cameras they can plant while “cleaning” or “performing repairs”.

Or you know just walk in and hide in a stall.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago (2 children)

In my utterly not humble opinion competitive sports are dumb and sports should just be fun ways to stay healthy... as such I'd be happy to see sex specific sports leagues and sports leagues in general go the way of the dodo.

If you like competitive sports then uh... sex does have a pretty strong correlation with muscle mass and the like but so does a lot of other shit. We should probably just follow wrestling's approach and weight class everything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

We should probably just follow wrestling's approach and weight class everything.

We should just let every sporting body make its own decisions because every sport has different nuances that we don't understand.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not into competitive sports, but I don't think they're fine. I'm in favor of gender neutral or weight classed leagues.

On some level though I think it's okay to tell trans athletes they can't compete in certain leagues. I'm colourblind and I can never be a firefighter or a pilot or a cop, and I had to back off from my dream of doing art school because I didn't think I could compete. There are biological restrictions which preclude things we want, and I do think being trans precludes competing in the sex based leagues, but as mentioned earlier we can revise our leagues to make them a better fit on a per sport basis.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

While it is true that most trans women are very bad at sports because they're big nerds and generally can't compete, there are a few trans women who through great effort have managed to reach a level on par with cis athletes. For example a few years ago a trans person won an Olympic medal for the first time, and that's huge. Now obviously this is after 15 years of trans women being allowed into the Olympics, and hundreds and hundreds of cis women winning medals, so this isn't to make the claim that trans women are generally equal to cis women in sports. But eventually someone trans was good enough to compete at the Olympic level, and that's something to be proud of! I don't think we should be barring ALL trans people from sports just because most of us suck at them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

Lesbians are perfectly capable of ogling women in those spaces anyway.

Yeah, but that's OK since it's sexy and makes his little PP hard.