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[–] [email protected] 46 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

No China will not do anything lol. They’re looking to “increase productive forces.” There’s legitimacy to it, of course, but how long will this goal take? Who knows. All we know is that China wants your business regardless of ideology, and it has no desire to impose its ideology on anyone else. A country can go through 500 coups of various ideologies and China will be there and say “there must be respect for sovereignty, peace, and trade cooperation.”

The threat of China is one of business and military. Ideology is just a boogeyman to get people riled up. There is no reason for concessions and there hasn’t been any for decades now. The average American recognizes his suffering, but he tells himself to keep on truckin’ because he believes his treats are cheap and readily accessible and the Asians are still living in rural huts. The only thing that will compel the bourgeoisie to give concessions is if the west decouples from not just China, but a lot of outsourcing, and industry comes back domestically.

The fall of the USSR saw inequality rise globally. That is no coincidence. Perhaps it was already rising, but its collapse sped it up significantly. It’s also not a coincidence that some of the bloodiest labor and civil rights moments occurred when we still produced stuff. Of course other factors were in play, but I’m just saying. We haven’t seen a single Pinkerton shot in a very long time.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

USSR gave logistics, financial and military support to leftist groups wherever they need. China would ask those leftist groups to first get into power before sitting on the table with them.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago

[China] has no desire to impose its ideology on anyone else

sicko-wistful

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They’re looking to “increase productive forces.” There’s legitimacy to it, of course, but how long will this goal take? Who knows.

Silly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

The goal of increasing the productive forces and moving out of "primary stage socialism" has very clearly been set at 2049/50 (centenary goal).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago

It’s true that China usually sets concrete agenda unlike the liberal vibes based policies in the west. But we haven’t heard too much about Xi’s successors yet. He’s been working hard to put the capitalists back under communist control and emphasizing ML ideology in the government and Chinese society. It’s unlikely that the next person will dismantle everything like the POTUS every 4 years, and China has studied the fall of the USSR extensively and determined the slander of Stalin is one of its causes, but it’s still hard the gauge the aftermath.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Got it, I misread that as saying the plan was silly.