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[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Liberals think they can create radical change in the capitalist system through voting and reforms,

You know, talking to your local house representative isn't a "liberal" thing to do, it's an American citizenry thing to do.

And I guarantee you, if enough of us did that, on a regular basis, so that those Representatives are fearful for their positions if they go against the will of their constituents, you would see actual change happen.

You won't see change if we just complain about things on an Internet forum.

By the way, that Cambridge paper you quoted, is from 2014. Politics has changed since then. And, that paper doesn't discuss at all about the issue of the citizenry being inactive and not forcing their will onto those they elect. It also mentions where citizenry through special interest groups like labor unions can affect change.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Well, you’ve proven yourself. I’ll stop reading revolutionary theory and call my representative Monday.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Even Marxists who live in a democratic country could potentially benefit from speaking to their local elected representative. Beats waiting around for a revolution that will never come.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m old. I’ve written. Emailed. Called, and voted my entire life. The political landscape is not getting better. It’s getting worse.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

’m old. I’ve written. Emailed. Called, and voted my entire life. The political landscape is not getting better. It’s getting worse.

At least you can look at yourself in the mirror; you tried. The only thing any of us could be asked to do. Don't let cynicism ruin you.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You seem to be a cruel optimist.

A relation of cruel optimism is a double-bind in which your attachment to an object sustains you in life at the same time as that object is actually a threat to your flourishing. So you can't say that there are objects that have the quality of cruelty or not cruelty, it's how you have the relationship to them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not really. If you go deeper, you’ll find that everyone is immoral.

If it is in our power to prevent something very bad from happening, without thereby sacrificing anything morally significant, we ought, morally, to do it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Not really. If you go deeper, you’ll find that everyone is immoral.

I mean, we're straying far from the original conversation, so I'll just leave it with agree to disagree, and move on.

Take care.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

And that is why nothing happens…

Take care.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

And that is why nothing happens…

Take care.

Well, trying to meet you in the middle of "everyone is immoral" is too much of a hard ask.

I thought we were having an honest and polite conversation, but you seem to go for that last Internet point win all of a sudden.

What was your expectation? What exactly are you advocating?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm asking you to use your own words, and not just link years old articles.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Enlightened Centrists will kill us all. Source