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[–] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Janeway did nothing wrong.

Tuvix was never meant to be, and cannot help the circumstances of his creation, but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.

I wouldn't feel good about it, as clearly Janeway did not, but I would make the same choice.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

The way I see it, Tuvok and Neelix died in an accident, and a separate life emerged from it. The crew just couldn't accept their deaths so they killed Tuvix to get them back.

I don't see it as a logical decision but an emotional one. How Tuvix came to exist doesn't matter, he was still a person, and they basically murdered him to get their friends back. He wouldn't be the first living thing that wasn't "meant" to exist.

Either way it's a very difficult moral question and probably the best episode in Voyager as far as emotional impact.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I agree with this. However, I can understand why Janeway did what she did. Two crew members are better than one in the world where their crew had to survive in.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Same. It's understandable, yet at the same time horrible when you look at it from Tuvix's perspective. You make a good point about the survival aspect though. From that perspective it is logical.

I really wish Voyager had spent more time on the survival theme throughout the show, kind of like BSG did. Trying to survive in a remote part of the galaxy should've had a much bigger impact on the characters than it did.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

The Doctor said it the best with that simple line of "first do no harm". He's acting in the present.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The way I think about the scenario is this:

  1. Two Main cast crew members die on away mission
  2. Q shows up and says I will bring them back to life and in exchange I will erase some random Starfleet member from the timeline and make it as if they never existed.
  3. Would anyone in Starfleet be ok with this?

I'm guessing no...

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

The only moral solution to the trolley problem is to arrest the experimenter and charge him with intellectual terrorism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago
  1. Would anyone know about someone that doesn't exist?