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‘This should not have happened,’ lawyer says of 16-year-old’s death at poultry plant
(mississippitoday.org)
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There’s always an outraged vegan to make a bad faith argument in comments of stories like this.
Hey kid, do you think children have never died farming vegetables?
https://www.live5news.com/2023/12/20/community-mourns-teen-who-died-farming-accident/?outputType=amp
https://www.abc27.com/local-news/child-dies-in-lancaster-county-farm-equipment-accident/amp/
https://globalnews.ca/news/9727616/toddler-dies-grain-mixer-quebec/amp/
Something to consider over your next salad.
Two of those articles you linked are a 2 and 4 year old that were on the farm, not really the same thing as the 27 amputation per month of actual workers. I mean step back and look at the what aboutism you are doing. Of course people are injured in produce, but that doesn't change the fact that working in a meat packing plant is one of the most dangerous professions for humans.
Look, I'm not even here "as a vegan", just as someone who has recently read The Jungle and is horrorifed to see the same problems from a century ago still present today. I'm not talking about animal rights, I'm talking about human worker rights in an industry where those people are constantly injured in staggering numbers.
ROFL.
The only reason you know I'm vegan is from my username, but why would that fact somehow disqualify me from caring about workers being injured?
Idk. Sorta seems like you just wanna insult me but not actually contribute anything meaningful.
I don't read usernames and didn't read yours until you mentioned it, and before that I knew you were vegan because you were using strawman in conjunction with a false dilemma and faulty generalization fallacies in order to push a 'meat bad' argument.
The most common argumentative fallacies used by vegans, peta, and trolls.
Underage workers dying is a.... false dilemma? How is that possibly something not worth addressing?
I feel like some of you are having an emotional response from even the mildest of critism at the industry that you have to deny there is even a problem with dead children that shouldn't have been hired in the first place. Which if you go reread my original comment, is what I originally pointed out. You are so defensive of the product that you are mad at me for even acknowledging this long standing issue.
As I said before, I'm fresh off reading The Jungle. My intent was to talk about worker rights instead of animal rights. So it seems right to leave this all with exactly that.
Published over a century ago and still relevant.
Blaming the meat industry for underage workers dying is a false equivalency and false dilemma. You are a fool* to equivocate these issues.
Meat isn't the problem, incompetent politicians and garbage employers are the problem but you're pretending the meat industry is the only industry engaging in child labour practices.
I bet you eat chocolate as well, and spoiler alert, child labour AND slave labour is involved in ALL chocolate acquisition, not to mention avocado and large scale vegetable farming uses child labour daily, but I don't hear you bitching about that, I hear you blaming "meat" and attempting to guilt anyone who consumes meat into believing they inherently support child labour when they buy it.
Meanwhile you're using an apple or android phone or a computer of any kind to communicate, meaning you have supported child and slave labour which acquired the raw materials to create the device you are using to bitch about this topic and misdirect people into believing your extremely perverted view of the world.
The sheer incompetence of your presentation here is dripping in irony and is denoting an unparalleled lack of education or an unbelievable level of intellectual dishonesty.
Edit: *removed an overly aggressive insult to prevent mods from being salty.
I'm honestly amazed you can say that in this exact thread. There is a well known link between exactly those two according to the DOL. But whatever. It's easy to just ignore it and insult me instead.
Edit: You added more. Look, we can do whataboutism for Chocolate and Tech, but that doesn't change anything for this issue.
The thread is literally about the meat industry.
And it's clear you haven't actually read the paper you're linking given that in that very investigation overview they describe the employers as the issue and not the industry as a whole.
Also, I like how you've just ignored all my notes about your own use of slave labour and child labour in your food and the device your using to continue bitching about the problem as well as misrepresenting the issues noted in the very paper you linked.
I'm going to chalk this up to incompetence and block you, but yes "well played" you "definitely got me".
By the way, since it's clear you did not read the paper:
In case you can't understand what is being said in the paper, the TL:DR is "Bad employers paying off corrupt politicians to weaken employment restrictions for young workers and the same bad employers ignoring or reducing safety training and safety equipment".
Contrary to you, I actually do investigate the supply lines and employment conditions of just about everything I use and consume, I can't change anything about it because it needs to be a group vote to make change, but I at least educate myself on these things.
Again, unlike you.
Oh wtf? You keep editing in more! That whole section wasn't there when I read your comment. I'm just trying to keep up.
The core edit occurred less than 45 seconds after the post and the second edit fixed grammar and punctuation about a minute later.
I'm quoting what I see at the time because I guess it might change? I didn't see any of your new section tripling the length of your comment once I hit reply. You know damn well the majority of that came later. Talk about bad faith and intellectual dishonesty.
Look, being insulted isn't what I want to do with my morning. This whole interaction is just a convulated flame war mess and I'm not interested in devoting more time to it. Especially since I guess you are gonna block me, so whatever.
You have a good one.
Oh trust me. I didn’t even see your username. I knew you were vegan because of your insufferable bad faith comment.
Well, I think comparing toddler accidents on a farm to century long systemic hiring of underage workers is bad faith but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. Still not entirely sure what I said that made you mad, concern for worker safety feels pretty universal. But it doesn't seem you want to actually talk about the issue. So whatever. You have a good one.
There's no point in conversing with these people, they accuse you of bad faith arguments from WORKING in the industry and rebute with arguments from VISITING the industry.
Smooth brains be smoothing
I honestly don’t care what you think.