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What really was the difference in ideology between the Kuomintang and CPC back in the 30s? (hexbear.net)

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I was reading through the Wikipedia entry on the Kuomintang and was surprised that they were anti-imperialist and fairly anti-capitalist, at least back in the day. There is a part there that says the Marxist in the KMT thought that China had already passed through it's feudal stage and was in a stagnant capitalist stage. My impression was that the KMT were essentially like the nationalist in German, Japan, or modern USA (they very well may have been, I suppose). I was also a little surprised that the USSR backed the KMT over the CPC too.

So really what was the beef between the two on an ideological basis?

EDIT: Sun Yat-sen is also interesting to read about. The megathread, that I somehow missed reading four months ago, was an interesting review.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

If you read Fannon's Wretched of the Earth, what everyone should read after Settlers, also Lenin's National Question both go through the reasoning why.

A small tldr is colonized have to feel a connection to their homeland as a precondition to any sort of successful movement to wrest control of themselves, their lands from colonial imperialist powers, this would be broad nationalism the precursor to internationalism, not to be confused with narrow chauvinistic nationalism, the fasc type we have in the US. You have to move out of this stage and form a socialism movement quick, or you'll get stuck in it and bad shit will happen.

Pretty much every 'third world' country outside the imperial core that has been successful in any form in the past with socialism has gone through that broad national movement with a national bourgeoisie. At first, the national bourgeois allows a colonial nation breathing room from the imperialists for nation building that allows the colonized to explore their own interests, unity, and all that. However, once this is achieved the people need to quickly put down the national bourgeois like the rabid dogs they are cuz if you don't they'll split your nation up, sell everyone and their dad out to the imperialists and turn full murderous fasc (this has happened in LatAm and Africa for failures), and turn to a socialist movement. Socialism or Barbarism basically. This includes CN, pretty much what the KMT did. They were based anti-imperialist early on, whichd allowed CN to grow and fight off the imperialists, but then they started to show their fasc character as conditions solidified and had to be put down to allow for the CPC to flourish.

USSR backed them due to the National question and a issue of survival, it wasn't ideal of course.

KMT was primarily pro national bourgeois and didn't really give a shit about the proletarian or class struggle.