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I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.

Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.

The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as "we'll just handle it") plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.

Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not defending capitalism or anything of the sort. I'm just saying that changing society is complicated and it will take a long time. If I could flip a switch and we had a better world, that'd be great, but unfortunately reality is not that easy.

I really think we agree on capitalism (yes, it's bad) and climate change (yes, fueled by capitalism and also very bad), so there's no need to accuse me of anything. That made me quite uncomfortable and that makes me quite sad and makes me empathize with OPs complaint. It's mostly about how it's said and the absolute-ness of the terms. Hope you have a nice day

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Nobody said it was simple to change society. What is simple is recognizing that we need to get rid of Capitalism.

The problem with the op's "discussing problems short term" is that what they mean is "let's waste time trying to reform Capitalism yet again and hope it to be turns out differently this time unlike the 1000 times before it"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You can do both, you know? This all or nothing is exactly what is turning people off. Mostly because those in your camp are mostly doing...nothing but posting the same comment. Either give us a roadmap to action or shut. The. Fuck. Up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No you can t both reform and dismantle Capitalism at the same time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No one is talking about reforming capitalism. There are, however, problems that need immediate attention. One action does not negate the other. Unless you're starting the revolution tomorrow, there are people that need to put food on the table. Happy to talk about the revolution when we get there. In the meantime, let's help those we can.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I never said not to take direct action to help others. Not sure what you're arguing against.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You directly accused OP of wanting to reform capitalism. I don't even know what your point is any more because any time someone presses you pivot to a new argument.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The op did not give concrete examples, but if they're getting comments about their praxis like that, it's probably because of they're reformist tactics. And reformism doesn't work. I have been pretty consistent with my message

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

All op was saying is that changing society is a complicated process. They even conceded that capitalism is bad.What about this do you disagree with?

By op I mean /c/SorteKanin. I hope we're talking about the same person.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is my last reply to them: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/7558299

In which I was countering the OP-OP, not them. Not sure what you're objecting to

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ok. I see now. Maybe I did a poor job of communicating my point in my first response to you. I'm just tired of this all-or-nothing attitude. People need immediate solutions and venting on social media about "capitalism bad" is just not effective. I think clear actionable items are more effective.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I am all for direct action immediately. In fact, that's the only thing I'm for, because this direct action is the only thing that can bring down capitalism. But it has to be direct action. Not voting for politicians or begging them and shit.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm really happy that some of you have the privilege of being accelerationists knowing that not much will affect you and you can choose to be apolitical. In the meantime, there are plenty of us that are being directly affected by legislation that republicans are passing and for now the best we can do is try to stand up to them. Thanks for your "direct action" though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I'm not being accelerationist. I have seen in the past that voting doesn't do jack shit. Direct action brought the 8-hour day, the 40-hour week, the anti child labor laws, and so many others. Voting brought you directly to trump and fascism. So save your centrist smugness for someone else.