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Just Say It, Democrats: Biden Has Been a Great President
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Horay! Plus a little war profiteering; supporting a bit of genocide never hurt right? Not like his is the first administration to do it.
I don't think Biden has links to any of the defense contractors profiting from our proxy wars. This isn't a Haliburton situation. And he's been reasonably tough on Israel. There's a reason it's Bernard Sanders who is the only one who can be really tough on them in Washington.
Reasonably tough would be following our laws and cutting aid off when there's credible allegations of widespread war crimes.
We cut off funding for UNRWA for allegations against 12 workers out of several thousand. That's the standard every other country and organization we fund operates by. Israel is straight up killing the journalists reporting on their war crimes and ... Nothing.
To be clear, how we get widespread with a country and 12 with an organization is that with countries we're willing to give aid to specific parts that are better behaved. So it has to be widespread there to be completely cut off. Still Israel has met that standard ten times over by this point.
Remember when Biden said no new *fracking on federal land? Then the Department of Interior, headed by his appointees, approved 1000 more drilling requests in the first year than Trump?
Pepperidge Farm 'members. they can't grow cookies anymore because the oilly water kills the cookie plants.
Remember when "he did that"?
Ackchyually, Biden is a hero for doing thiis brave thing
#Joe Biden just did the rarest thing in US politics: he stood up to the oil industry
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/07/joe-biden-big-oil-lng-permits
In the election year.
After approving more than Trump did.
I call shenanigans.
You’re missing the point. Republicans have spun this tale that Biden is waging war on energy. All the data is the opposite. Of course he has to talk about this. If he rolls over and takes it, stupid ass moderates will believe it and reelect Trump, who will actually wage war on energy
So Bidens gotta become more and more conservative to appease moderates
Energy independence isn’t a conservative position??
Fossil fuel support is
Just admit you don’t give a shit about poor people who have to get to work with the only vehicle they can afford, which uses a combustion engine
I thought you were talking about energy production. We can get into vehicles if you want, progressive countries do things a lot differently than we do on that front too. Both being more considerate to poor people and reducing fossil fuel usage.
I will literally nut in my pants if we build a transnational passenger rail system on par with Europe
How well did becoming more and more liberal to appease progressives work out for Bernie?
If a commanding majority didn't turn out for Bernie with free college, universal and free health care, forgiven student loans, and legal weed, I don't think going further left is going to get Biden a whole lot of votes. The sad fact of the matter is that the middle actually shows up to vote, so you have to cater to them.
The whole "I'm not going to vote unless I'm inspired" bit has backfired horribly on progressives and socialists. Turnout for Bernie only confirmed the conventional wisdom. Politicians will try to win voters, not non voting complainers.
Youre not doin much convincing if it boils down to we should continue doing things worse because its more popular. The goal isnt winning some game at the cost of all of your principles, its implementing progressive policies.
Would you rather compromise on some of your principles to win and get to implement 50% of your progressive policies -- or not compromise and lose and implement 0% of them, while conservatives meanwhile implement more conservative policies?
Thats not how i see things. On a sliding scale from progressive to conservative, we're already on the conservative side, further into the conservative side than when Biden started. And we're just going more in that direction. From union busting, to zionism, more roads and cars and fossil fuels, harsher border treatment, more military spending.
Do you think we're more likely to get to the future you want if Trump wins or if Biden wins? I highly doubt it would be the same.
I see either winning as moving further away from the future I want. Worsening environmental health, population health, financial health. I assume you see it as Trump regressing us, and Biden progresses us but not as fast as people would like, but I see it as Biden also regressing us, just not as fast as Trump. I cant support either of them.
That's an important detail though -- you see Biden as regressing us slower than Trump. In all likelihood, it's going to be either Biden or Trump. Isn't it better then to pick the presidential option that will regress us less?
Keep in mind, Biden isn't all powerful. Congress has massive power, and there is a real chance to move it to the left. House Democrats continue to become more and more progressive. Ten years ago, I think they would've voted for an Israel only aid bill. Just this week, they voted against it, and stopped it from passing.
Congress can still move us towards the future we want, and I think this election cycle presents us an opportunity. Holding the Senate at all costs means progressive candidates will get supported. If they can win WV, that will be huge. And progressives keep winning big in the House.
I want the same future as you, frankly. And I think we get there by keeping Biden as president to sign bills by a progressive Congress that we elect.