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It means at his age the only thing cancer treatment can do is prolong your 5 year survival without regard to quality of life. Nothing he will do at this point will really prolong his life further than it has gone and taking chemo will undoubtedly ruin the last few years and chances are chemo doesn't work and you die near-term anyway. Oncology has pitiful success rates.
I have family that got cancer around 75, had chemo and lived another 15 years, and that was treatment on the NHS, not the best care money can buy.
Absolutely an edge case and not typical of anyone's experience. Several of my family members are dead after painful chemo in their 50s
It's an outlier sure, but it's not tremendously unlikely. 61% of men diagnosed with cancer at 75 survive at least 5 years.
I simply do not believe that first statistic that you googled from a Finnish study. 80 is over the median age of most people. Now if you are King Charles and you are probably going to die in 5 - 10 years anyway do you want to spend your last 5 years extremely sick getting poisoned by chemo or do you want to spend it doped up on drugs having everything you can possibly want while you get to be the king you waited for 75 years to be then meet the inevitable anyway?
Sure, but if you make it to 75, you are considerably more likely to make it to 80 than the median person.
The median person also does not have parents that each made it to their late 90s, or access to the world's best medicine.
And you really think someone who has the best medicine in the would choose to not treat because they are dumb dumbs or because they probably know its useless to treat? If I were him I wouldn't take chemo either after watching what it did to my sister in her 50s.
Yes. Look at Steve Jobs, plenty of people refuse treatment for easily curable diseases. Being rich and powerful does not stop you from being a moron.
I don't think you know the whole story and you think you know what happens inside peoples heads. Steve jobs had pancreatic cancer with a 5 year survival rate of 10% for eight years, he already beat the odds. He had a kind of cancer computer fabricators got in the 70s and ravaged grey beard engineers across silicon valley.
You really have no idea what you are talking about, what it is like to be sick and what chemo does to you. It is their right not to seek treatment and to go out with dignity if that is their decision and that doesn't make them a moron.
Steve Jobs has a neuro-endocrine tumor that was diagnosis before metastasis occured. This had a 5-year survival rate of 93% at the time of his diagnosis.
Removal of the tumour would have been a relatively routine and low risk surgery, which would have vastly increased his chance of survival, but he waited nine months to pursue treatment, trying to cure it himself with veganism and acupuncture.
He could be alive today if he'd listened to his doctors and family.
You don't fucking know that! He had a terminal illness which is terminal and it was his right to deal with that and treat it on his own terms, not yours. You don't know everything. I too have a terminal illness and you can't force me to die in a fucking hospital hooked to machines with incessant beeping and exploited nurses who need to to take a nap. I don't want them to drain everything so my wife gets nothing but an insurance pay out. I want to die at home with my wife and my cat and all my shit on my own fucking terms and fuck you if you say anything else.
Literally fuck you for denigrating sick people and terminal people for not doing what you want them to do with your ideas and shaming them. You are a fucking asshole.
I don't know if for sure, but the facts strongly suggest so.
He had a curable illness that became terminal as the result of him refusing treatment.
Sure, no one can, and it's possible that there is some information that's not public that completely transforms the situation. However, this was not the opinion of several of his closest confidants.
I'm sorry to hear that, you have my condolences.
Steve Jobs effectively committed suicide by not seeking treatment that was well within his power, with the best information in the world. He had the opportunities most people diagnosed with similar diseases would probably have killed to have, and he threw them away. I don't think pointing this out is denigrating the terminally Ill in general or you personally.
I don't think that I've implied that I could or would want to.