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US transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg on Monday said human drivers must pay attention at all times after videos emerged of people wearing what appeared to be Apple’s recently released Vision Pro headset while driving Teslas.

Buttigieg responded on Twitter/X to a video that had more than 24m views of a Tesla driver who appeared to be gesturing with his hands to manipulate a virtual reality field.

Despite their names, Tesla’s assisted driving features – Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving – do not mean the vehicles are fully autonomous, Buttigieg said Monday on social media.

“Reminder – ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged in the driving task at all times,” Buttigieg said.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 9 months ago (5 children)

If you want a “self driving vehicle,” buy a horse.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That's great if there's a train that goes where you need to go. For most people in the US that happens approximately never.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

If only something could be done about it but it seems for some reason the laws of physics don't allow trains in north America

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

It's a tragedy, really.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's actually true in a way. Shit here is really far apart.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's why the first intercontinental travel was trains. Over distance trains a substantially more efficient than car because of rolling resistance and differentials.

That's why I say the laws of physics don't apply because we do the objectively worse thing because the government hates building infrastructure.

The US for instance is about the same size as China yet China has lots of rail because the government will focus on infrastructure.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, trains are great for long distances. Where they suck is trying to get people from point to point in a sprawling city designed around the assumption that everyone has a car. Cities are so spread out that getting within walking distance of most destinations by train would require an unreasonably large rail system.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Let's be honest, cars suck at that too and that's why we're perpetually dealing with traffic and widening roads.

But let's take Phoenix AZ, the premium suburb sprawl. The light rail is pretty damn good and with a bike it's pretty painless evern if you need to get a mile or two from the light rail.

The main issue with using bikes like this is all the big ass cars and drivers who will not share the road. If we had dedicated bike infrastructure leading to rail it would work just fine even with suburban sprawl.

I know this because I did this on the light rail in Phoenix.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

For what it's worth, I always vote for more public transit. I'm just never that impressed with the results.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

You don't have to love it or anything and I'm not saying public transportation is mandatory. But right now, cars are mandatory in a lot of ways and I think that's a shame.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

That's exactly the Environment Trains were designed for?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also the only place that stupid fucking Tesla truck is legal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Technicality! Its available in canada so your statement is factually false.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Look at Mr Fancy pants with horse money over here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Last time I've checked Tesla's self driving option comes with a pricy subscription paid monthly.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How about a pig with a saddle?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I always wondered were there less accidents back then? Horses probably actively try not to run into things right? But they can also get scared and go crazy so who knows

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago

Riding horses or in horse drawn carriages was banned in the city of Rome multiple times in antiquity, because of accidents involving two horses.

Cars will come to a stop, eventually, on their own. Horses get spooked and run, causing a much bigger problem.

Mary Todd Lincoln once jumped from a carriage after her driver was thrown from the seat and the horse began to speed away. The resulting injury left her with migraines for the rest of her life.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago

There are stories from horses bringing home their drunk, sleeping 'drivers' because they knew their way home.

I’d guess there were less alcohol related accidents..?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Horses also leave horseshit wherever they go.

Not a plus.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah but streetcleaners would get it every hour or so and transport it off to farms. You know, the giant gardens that are so depleted of nutrients they spray chemicals constantly to replenish.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

You know, so do Tesla and Musk fanboys. What a curious coincidence.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I saw a horse go crazy recently and yeah... the horse didn't hit shit...but the ones on the carriage....10/10 wouldn't recommend.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

You don't get points or game tokens on a horse though.