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The Biden administration has skirted Congress to rush weapons to Israel and shielded its ally from international calls for a cease-fire in the four months since Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack that triggered the war. But the White House has also urged Israel to take greater measures to avoid harming civilians and to facilitate the delivery of more aid to besieged Gaza.

Itamar Ben-Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, in an interview with The Wall Street Journal said Biden was hindering Israel’s war effort.

“Instead of giving us his full backing, Biden is busy with giving humanitarian aid and fuel (to Gaza), which goes to Hamas,” Ben-Gvir said. “If Trump was in power, the U.S. conduct would be completely different.”

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Good. Keep saying shit like that and hopefully Biden will get fed up and actually turn against Israel.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago (1 children)

God, imagine our 40 year fellatio of Israel being ended because a couple of Israeli politicians were not just genocidal, but genocidal and assholes to their allies.

A man can dream.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

"40 year" man, Israel has been the 51st state since at least the 70s.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The US needs to condemn Israel because of the atrocities it's committing - the fact that those haven't been convincing enough is horrific. And the idea of hoping for a reactionary policy change because a single poor excuse for a human being was showboating? Somehow that's even more terrifying than just having a military-industrial economy making strategic genocide-supporting decisions.

Perpetual war is how the US maintains hegemony. They have no interest in stopping Israel, because it both pays the US ruling class and keeps the wealthy Islamic nations busy spending money on keeping their own people alive and borders intact. If you and other Americans want your government to condemn genocide, you're going to have to do more than hope Ben-Gvir is irritating enough. Because the entire US economy banks on this continuing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Perpetual war is how the US maintains hegemony. They have no interest in stopping Israel, because it both pays the US ruling class and keeps the wealthy Islamic nations busy spending money on keeping their own people alive and borders intact. If you and other Americans want your government to condemn genocide, you're going to have to do more than hope Ben-Gvir is irritating enough. Because the entire US economy banks on this continuing.

jfc

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Perhaps some more familiar packaging would be more to your taste:

The US enjoys its positioning as a global leader by addressing security challenges using strategic partnerships with the goal of ensuring freedom and bolstering regional security and prosperity. To stop providing strategic support to Israel would compromise their historic friendship, their good economic relations, and an integrated Middle East.

Phrasing credit to the US justice department's 1999 memo on the Agreement Between The Government Of The United States Of America And The Government Of The State Of Israel Regarding The Application Of Their Competition Laws and the 2023 Announcement of "Operation Prosperity Guardian".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Condemn, sanction, and occupy Israel if that's what it takes.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

When? How? Would he do that to boost trump? To make the dude right? The US is too tied in to Israel to do anything. You’ve been sending them free money for years - you think they can stop??

[–] [email protected] 18 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I guarantee you that the Israelis would absolutely prefer Trump over Biden.

Trump moved the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem. That was America directly provoking Palestinians. It was also exactly what Israel wanted.

I'm not saying Biden is Israel's enemy or anything, but it's the difference between kissing an ass and sticking your tongue right up the rectum.

And if we are lucky, between this and the increasing American public's distaste for Israel's war, Biden might actually at least try to do something.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I’m not arguing on who’s their best friend, just saying that they have done this for decades already and you’ve still sent them foreign aid - like 300bn usd so far, starting in 1946. And like I said I can’t see how he can or will reverse even if they shit on his food. All his “bombs for kids” programme will be a huge mistake - a looser

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

You don't see how he can not give Israel foreign aid?

Maybe he can just... not do it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Probably - I don’t know how that part works. I just see a man loosing a lot of face doing it. Killing kids at ok - he still sends ammo. Israel will keep on insulting you and you will pay them. And you will send weapons. And possibly send more guys to the Middle East rather than pull out of Syria and Iraq

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1

Broadly, the poll shows support for Israel and the Biden administration’s handling of the situation ebbing slightly further across the board. The poll shows 31% of U.S. adults approve of Biden’s handling of the conflict, including just 46% of Democrats. That’s as an earlier spike in support for Israel following the Hamas attacks Oct. 7 sags.

It's an election year.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

It is - and my reasoning is that it will hurt him more and boost trump more - than just keep going as is.

If you can pick between the one that sends money and the one that will send money, it’s same-same so no downside for Biden.

I don’t follow your politics closely, but I think your budgeting on that for 2025 starts in a month. And that the previous one (2024) was approved in autumn 2023

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

How would continuing to do the thing that is unpopular help him get votes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Who they gonna vote for? Trump? They gonna sit out because of it? Will trumps voters sit home because of it?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Who they gonna vote for? Trump?

Possibly. That happened in 2016.

They gonna sit out because of it?

Possibly. Certainly people have been saying they will do that or vote third party rather than vote for "Genocide Joe."

Will trumps voters sit home because of it?

Doubtful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I still think he will count on them not doing that.

I don’t know too much about your elections, so it’s based on previous actions by Biden and the human trait of going down with the ship rather than admit you were wrong.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Issue is a lot of the states do not realize that Trump winning would almost certainly lead to a dictatorship and think they CAN afford to not vote for Joe. So yes, there may be enough who sit out that Trump could eek out a win

[–] [email protected] -3 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No idea who he is sorry. Is he independent?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

he is a well known academic. he is independent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Thanks. Sounds far better than a tv-star or a demented guy killing kids. I will look for him in the news,