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hot take, feel free to dunk but holy shit, all the posts from white people being like "let's kill all the white people" is insufferable "i'm one of the good ones!" nonsense and it really should stop (hexbear.net)

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saying something this edgy does not absolve you of bigotry

edit: for anyone stumbling into the drama, i probably should have elaborated on this post. I am not saying you can't make fun of white people not being able to eat spicy food or anything, but at some point it becomes self-flagellating. to quote comrade RedQuestionAsker:

It's good to challenge white supremacy in all of its incarnations at all time. It's certainly good to refuse to be proud to be white considering what the concept of whiteness is.

It's another thing to performatively hate yourself in a cocktail of millennial self-deprecation and liberal white guilt. It's not revolutionary, and it's probably not good for you.

that is all. comrades just know i dont hate any of you. i'm not trying to start a slapfight. i just saw this as weird performative behavior and wanted to call it out.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 months ago

its a Usian thing I think, you've got a peculiar and unresolved relationship with so-called 'race' - your government still subscribes to racial theory in its administrative definitions. The arguments tend to be different (more pertinent to the issues) in other countries, and in 'non-white' US.

of course, color is an aesthetic argument, and it isn't an intrinsic property of a thing or person (and 'white' is indisputably a type of color). And aesthetic arguments, like the debates about 'taste' when it comes to media or consumption, are somewhat pointless. I think people argue about aesthetics when they've got no other pressing concerns, which isn't a bad thing per se, just unrelatable to people who do have those pressing concerns.

obviously, this is a US website (like most websites) so its to be expected that you have these kind of discussions, and hyperbole is a natural aspect of that. But really, it might be good to remember to be somewhat internationalist, and be aware that attitudes/understandings toward terminology, and also to so-called 'race' aren't universal. These kind of discussions, on this topic, are very insular.

I don't mean to criticise, I can see where the sides are coming from and why the arguments happen like they do here. But really, it makes no sense to say 'white people', referring to a kind of construct, outside of the US (and probably inside parts of the US). People will just read it as the skin color, or a proxy for or reference to 'racial theory'.

It would be better, and more accurate I think, to refer to yourselves (the 'white people' of the US) as European settler-colonists, since that's what you are. 400 years isn't that long at all - line 5-10 people up in space, and its not much at all, line them up in time/generations and you get 400 years.

Really, in the sense of a paradigm of understanding the world around us, leftism is a religion, albeit a generally atheistic/untheistic one like some east Asian 'religions'/philosophies (you can see its origins and similarities in other religious movements like the Hussites for example or the Zaydi Islam). So its to be expected that self-flagellation occurs. But self-flagellation is just self-indulgence - maybe useful for some, but not for the many.