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Despite the bad press, half of America is still considering an EV or hybrid car — they just want them to be cheaper
(www.businessinsider.com)
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I'd like one not connected to a hateful, megalomaniacal egobeast.
Plenty of options besides Tesla.
And China's about to hit the market hard. You know, if you don't mind them scraping your data.
If the 25% tariff on Chinese EVs went away, they would flood the American market just like Honda and Toyota in the 80s. We need a cheap sedan EV, and nobody is filling that segment in the US.
Ah cheap chinese garbage. Just what I want to be driving.
Fun fact: Tesla isn't the biggest EV maker in the world. BYD is. Americans haven't heard of them because Trump's 25% import tariff on Chinese EVs made them untenable to import.
American automotive companies are scared shitless of companies like BYD because they can come in like Toyota & Honda did in the 1980s and sell an EV sedan at a cheaper price than any American automaker can.
Elon even admitted it today: https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-global-economy/elon-musk-says-chinese-ev-companies-will-demolish-competition-without-tariffs
I didn't realize we had a tariff that high on Chinese EVs. It's looking like Biden even wants to increase it https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-administration-explores-raising-tariffs-chinese-evs-wsj-2023-12-21/
I remember when Trump did his trade war on China and people were screaming bloody murder about impeding free trade, but apparently democrats are all about it too. They're more alike than people want to admit, at least when it comes to trade.
On foreign policy in general there is little difference between Democrats and traditional Republicans. On the other hand, Trump's only guidestar on foreign policy was how much money a country spent at his resorts.
2002 called. They want their stereotypes back.
China caught up on developing and producing quality products themselves, while many western companies lacked innovation and just payed out dividends instead of investing into the future.
I agree their capability has increased a lot, but i seems to me like most stuff I buy thats made in China is designed to fail.
They make a lot of stuff in general. Chances are if you're looking at the label for country of origin it's not because it's working fine.
In general, they sell a lot of stuff that breaks fast because they have a lower price floor, so if you want to make cheap garbage, you can pay less for it in China.
If you want something perfectly decent, it's still cheaper because of the balance of trade, but it's not as drastic.
Yeah they caught up, they didn’t get ahead.
That can be the case for some products. It should not get us to relax in hubris until it is too late to stay in competition.
Yeah, I'm not sure outsourcing so much manufacturing to a powerful, authoritarian state was such a good idea. T
Then again, the transnational corporations making the decisions only care about their investors. Supporting human rights and democratic countries was never important to them.
China can lick my nuts
When the roadster came out I wanted one, but I wanted to see how the brand fared in general for a few years first. Plus I couldn't really afford to upgrade my 1995 volvo.
When the model S was released I wanted one. It seemed practical, but it still wasn't affordable for me to replace my old 1995 volvo.
When 3 was released I didn't really care, because it seemed like a downgraded S.
When X (the car) was released I wanted one because m It seemed to be exactly what I needed.
But then:
Stories with quality control issues with Tesla becme more and more frequent.
EM proved himself to be a complete asshat (I had my suspicions, so I wasn't that surprised when he went mask off)
Autopilot turned out to be a scam
Relying on rental cars at work made me realize how much I hate touch screens.
So, I'm still driving my 1995 volvo 940. It will be replaced in march by a 2019 volvo xc90. I see the benefit in hybrid, but fuck tesla.
But why, tho?
Because I have four kids, so I need that big of a car to fit the entire household. If it wasn't for that I would probably drive my jurassic era car for another decade.