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Welcome to baby Marxist rehabilitation camp.

We are reading Volumes 1, 2, and 3 in one year. (Volume IV, often published under the title Theories of Surplus Value, will not be included in this particular reading club, but comrades are encouraged to do other solo and collaborative reading.) This bookclub will repeat yearly until communism is achieved.

The three volumes in a year works out to about 6½ pages a day for a year, 46⅔ pages a week.

I'll post the readings at the start of each week and @mention anybody interested. Let me know if you want to be added or removed.

Congratulations to those who've made it this far. We are almost finished the first three chapters, which are said to be the hardest. So far we have just been feeling it out, now is when we start to find our stride. Remember to be methodical and remember that endurance is key.


Just joining us? It'll take you about 4-5 hours to catch up to where the group is.

Archives: Week 1 – Week 2


Week 3, Jan 5-21, we are reading Volume 1, Chapter 3 Section 3 'Money', PLUS Volume 1, Chapter 4 'The General Formula for Capital', PLUS Volume 1, Chapter 5 'Contradictions in the General Formula'


Discuss the week's reading in the comments.


Use any translation/edition you like. Marxists.org has the Moore and Aveling translation in various file formats including epub and PDF: https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/

Ben Fowkes translation, PDF: http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=9C4A100BD61BB2DB9BE26773E4DBC5D

AernaLingus says: I noticed that the linked copy of the Fowkes translation doesn't have bookmarks, so I took the liberty of adding them myself. You can either download my version with the bookmarks added, or if you're a bit paranoid (can't blame ya) and don't mind some light command line work you can use the same simple script that I did with my formatted plaintext bookmarks to take the PDF from libgen and add the bookmarks yourself.


Resources

(These are not expected reading, these are here to help you if you so choose)

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I will read this comment a few times

[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

no prob, I didn't intend the post to get that long, it just happened lol

[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I learn a lot through discussion, but also tend to get defensive easily. I hope that hasn't come through here

[-] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Not at all, I'm using your questions like homework to check if I understood it

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Oh, and he also mentioned that some sources of value are from rare or valuable land (rivers, fertile ground, quarries I guess). My assumption is that it is rolled into SNL as it requires labour to work, there's just an upper limit on the production of, say, iron based on the accessibility of iron ore and the social necessity of iron ore, which is determined by exchange etc etc? A society where there are just lumps of iron lying around probably expends very little labour extracting iron ore.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Do you recall what section that part on value from rare/valuable land was from? I'm still behind in my reading and it's been a while. I remember this part from ch 1:

The use values, coat, linen, &c., i.e., the bodies of commodities, are combinations of two elements – matter and labour. If we take away the useful labour expended upon them, a material substratum is always left, which is furnished by Nature without the help of man. The latter can work only as Nature does, that is by changing the form of matter. Nay more, in this work of changing the form he is constantly helped by natural forces. We see, then, that labour is not the only source of material wealth, of use values produced by labour. As William Petty puts it, labour is its father and the earth its mother.

And then for sure in Volume 3 there is a long discussion on differing qualities of land, but this fits into the rent part of the analysis (it's later and we are not there yet in Marx's build-up of concepts). Just to foreshadow that part, Marx describes a differential of rents based on how good the land is and how much value can be produced with it.

To me, as per the ch 1 quote above, Marx is describing a precondition for producing a use-value with concrete labor. Remember that producing a use-value is an inescapable requirement of also producing a value, since value must have some bodily form to possess. So Marx is making this simple trans-historical statement not only about labor under capitalism, but all human labor: in order for humans to make things, we need to find existing material things and alter them with our labor.

It's kind of mind-bending, but several parts of the argumentation in these chapters is starting from an end result, and then describing what things must have been necessary to reach this point. Rather than starting with ingredients and describing a recipe how to make a commodity, Marx takes the commodity and describes the preconditions necessary to make it. So what looks like he's making wild assumptions ("why can he assume it's socially necessary labor?"), is actually a result of this direction of the analysis.

For example, this is the direction of the first chapter: Wealth in present society takes the form of commodities. To have a commodity, you need a use-value which was exchanged for some other use-value. Ok, what is a use-value? Something which is the product of a definite type of labor, using physical matter found in the world. Ok, it's exchanged? Then it must have been socially necessary. He doesn't make moral or value judgments about WHY it's socially necessary, he is simply stating the fact that it was already exchanged, therefore socially necessary.

Contrast this with a "bottom-up" approach, trying to design a commodity by first starting with concrete labor. A baker bakes, a barber cuts hair, and a carpenter makes furniture. To try to back into Marx's analysis, you have to try to explain how the baker 1) is performing socially necessary labor 2) is performing labor in the abstract, not his specific labor 3) calculates the "value" in his product during exchange. This is basically a problem that classical economists ran into (and to whom Marx is responding), because they were trying to give all sorts of definitions for how value is calculated, but it's exactly backwards compared to how Marx is analyzing it. The problem is that the classical economists are starting the analysis already making the assumption that value exists. But this has the problem of making value into some ahistorical phenomenon, and therefore missing the entire history of capitalism and making it impossible to describe how capitalism develops and changes.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

It was one line somewhere, but I'm not finding it. I did find a paragraph bouncing some examples around in chapter 1. Disregard, for now. ATM, I'm falling behind on readings and I haven't even started semester yet :(

[-] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I'm falling behind on readings

Right there with ya, just take it easy and remember the goal is to read it, not for it to stress us out! I have no chance of keeping up because of work

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