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Here's how Ukraine was being reported by the West before the war.

Today, increasing reports of far-right violence, ultranationalism, and erosion of basic freedoms are giving the lie to the West’s initial euphoria. There are neo-Nazi pogroms against the Roma, rampant attacks on feminists and LGBT groups, book bans, and state-sponsored glorification of Nazi collaborators.

These stories of Ukraine’s dark nationalism aren’t coming out of Moscow; they’re being filed by Western media, including US-funded Radio Free Europe (RFE); Jewish organizations such as the World Jewish Congress and the Simon Wiesenthal Center; and watchdogs like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Freedom House, which issued a joint report warning that Kiev is losing the monopoly on the use of force in the country as far-right gangs operate with impunity.

Five years after Maidan, the beacon of democracy is looking more like a torchlight march. A neo-Nazi battalion in the heart of Europe

If you whitewash NAZI POGROMS just because you want to beat Russia, fuck you. Siding with far-right fascists to defeat far-right fascists doesn't make you the good guy. There is no lesser of two evils here.

If you dismiss any criticism of Ukraine as Russian propaganda, you might want to ask why the rest of the world, including the West, was concerned about Nazism in the area and then suddenly changed their tune only after the war started.

We should be getting both sides into peace negotiations, not prolonging the bloodshed and providing Nazis with illegal cluster bombs

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Funny how all the z apologists don't actually live in Russia🤣 getting call a Nazi by a literal nazi supporters🤣

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The letter Z isn't the new swastika, the swastika is still the swastika and the people who wear the swastika are still the nazis

You are the only nazi supporter here you bootlicking fascist scum

The only analogy libs can even make between modern Russia and the nazis is invading another country, as if that was the worst thing the nazis ever did

Funny how the entire premise of your side relies on minimizing and whitewashing the horrors of the Holocaust

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

HaTiNg NaZIs MaKeS U tHe ReAl NaZi

I don't support Russian or Ukraine Nazis. Eat my ass please!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yes the country with a Jewish president is totally nazi sure nice logic there 🙄 👍 😉 👏

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The funny thing about Zelensky is not only is he Jewish, but he is a Russian speaking Jewish man. The parts of Ukraine that overwhelmingly voted for him were not the nazi hotbeds in Lviv but the Russian separatist regions of Donbass and Luhansk. Turns out support for Zelensky was strongest in the regions that wanted to leave in the first place? Why is this? Because Zelensky ran on a peace platform, and presented himself as in favor of Minsk II, against escalation with Russia, and not as much of a rabid reactionary as the (US-backed, nazi-glorifying) Petro Poroshenko, who was put in power through a transparent US-backed right-wing coup during Euromaidan in 2014.

The people in the Donbass and Luhansk regions mostly speak Russian. They were part of Russia historically, but Lenin, Stalin, and Khruschev all granted more land to the Ukrainian SSR in an attempt to keep them happy and better integrate the agriculture with the industry.

This is why there was strong Russian identity in those regions, and strong separatist tendencies. The west half of Ukraine meanwhile, especially near Lviv, is the home of the most far right parts of Ukrainian society, who want to be part of NATO, who glorify nazi collaborators like Bandera, who join fascist street gangs like C14 and ethnically cleanse Roma people living in tents.

Zelensky presented himself as wanting to prevent the Ukrainian civil war (going on since 2014) from escalating into a full scale war with Russia, but after he got in office, he made few efforts to actually do this, and rather turned out to be a quite willing collaborator with the United States, and was willing to turn a blind eye to the reactionaries despite himself being a Russian-speaking Jewish man. He made a big show at the beginning of the presidency of filming himself "confronting" Azov battalion and telling them to put down their weapons. But guess what? He had no mechanism of enforcement. They didn't take him seriously, and made clear their intention to violate any and all attempts to de-escalate. Zelensky, being a man who is Jewish and speaks Russia, is actually the perfect mascot this shit, because his surface appearance covers up the underlying reality. of the Banderite situation in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just because someone speaks Russian doesn't make them pro putin the people in the east know all about Russian Brotherhood it why the keep putting all the roadside bombs under Russian vehicles

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

My brother/sister/nb in Christ who do you think has been dropping bombs on people in the East for nearly the past decade?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Just because someone is jewish doesn't make them anti nazi

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Nice bit data-laughing you had me for a second there but them you did the "But I have black friends" thing, complete with boomer Facebook emotes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nice make belive arguments that I never made there buddy maybe I should let you and your straw man have some private time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Dirt Owl is our comrade not your buddy, get it right

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nice make belive arguments that I never made there buddy maybe I should let you and your straw man have some private time

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

"How can you say America is racist, they had a black president!"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And I take it there is zero racism in America after Obama became president?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So i suppose there's zero racism in Russia

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What has that got to do with this argument?

You said that it's not possible for a country to have Nazi elements if it had a Jewish president. I pointed out that this is an illogical statement, as the USA still had plenty of anti black racism, even at the institutional level, while having a black president. So it's definitely possible for a country to have Nazi elements and a Jewish president, just as it is possible for a country to have a black president and anti black racist elements in it's social fabric.

There is likely lots of racism in modern day Russia, but I don't see what that has to do with your argument.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

do you know what “literal” means? maybe the “literal nazis” are the people literally sporting nazi symbols, literally conducting pogroms and segregation on Roma people, and literally using cluster munitions against civilians in the Donbas

btw i used all western sources

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep cause Russia sure ain't bombing civilians Ukraine dropping them right on these civilian trenches

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

notice how my argument is well sourced while yours has zero evidence presented. ur comeback doesnt even make sense— use some damn punctuation! and “civilian trenches”? lol! please try to be coherent

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Hey please allow yourself a Peak on the Real story , if you have the Curage ...

you can repeat fascist lies as well , its your choice ,we try to help you ...