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Harris Warns of ‘Profound Threat’ to America’s Freedoms
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Sometimes, stopping fascism means actually working within an alliance between moderates and those further left. I've got no problem doing that.
Let me know when an actual alliance happens. Did the moderates concede anything in the name of alliance or simply demand the left move rightward and tell them there is no alternative? Wasnt Pelosi endorsing primary challenges against progressives in Trumps term? Doesn't really sound like they're making alliances.
Started happening in 2020.
The part I pay close attention to is climate. We got the carrot portions of the Green New Deal enacted as the Inflation Reduction Act.
The inflation reduction act as passed can't hold a candle to the worst parts of the green new deal, they couldn't even touch minimum wage. If thats alliance, I'd hate to be their enemy.
It's what we could get through the Senate. That body is designed to favor the most conservative.
I'll take what I can actually get over an actively hostile government any day
Now you're moving the goalposts what happened to the supposed alliance? Im not talking about what you'll take out of a broken legislature, im saying there has been no effort on an actual alliance with anyone to the left of centerist democrats. No longer endorsing people who challenge them is hardly an alliance. Neither is what every other country would simply call a normal infrastructure bill. If things like preventing bridges from falling down and fixing roads long out of spec is a gift to progressives, then the Democrats are truly an incompetent party and there's little hope anything gets done regardless of who's in charge.
Hardly. We got what what was possible as a minority within the Democratic party which held an incredibly narrow margin in the Senate.
So no alliance.
Without involvement, we'd have gotten less than nothing, so you're just trolling.
You started talking about alliances, and when pushed for any indication that's real you now avoid talking about it all together. I'm not the troll here. We were talking about some prospective alliance and you failed to substantiate any proof such a thing exists, all you can do is detract from the point of the exchange. That's exactly what moving the goalposts is, the one trolling is you.
Oh yes, trying to reverse victim and offender. Standard troll behavior.
Im not the one who can't answer the question, where is the evidence of the alliance you claim? You must have spent four responses dodging that question, troll. You made a claim you can't back up and now cant even acknowledge it so instead the entirety of your comment is name calling. Keep astroturfing opinions you cant substantiate though, that's very Democrat of you.
Theyve given you the illusion you have a seat at their table. There is no changing the way the oligarchy works. They will do nothing that impacts their power, there is no reforming within
Ok cool, you better not fucking vote then or you're a hypocrite.
Well no shit