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Wow. Did this ever just turn to hot garbage.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The Space Shuttle could barely make it to the ISS.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Yes, and even if you could make it go further, by not dropping the EFT and refueling it in orbit somehow, it would still be a stupid fucking idea to push around all that useless wing and heat tile mass in space.

That's why the original plan for the STS before Nixon cut it to the bone was for the shuttle to dock at a low earth orbit station where crew and supplies would transfer to a completely different vehicle, a nuclear engine wingless lightweight vehicle never intended to enter an atmosphere, which would take them to a station in lunar orbit, where they would transfer again to a dedicated lander vehicle.

Also, the Shuttle was supposed to have smaller wings, a fully reusable EFT, and no solid boosters. The recognizable Shuttle profile we see in For All Mankind was directly a consequence of the cuts to the Shuttle program because NASA had to go to the DoD for funding to complete the project at all, and the Air Force demanded enough wing area to glide back to US territory after a single polar orbit in order to snatch Soviet satellites out of space, as well as a much larger cargo space than NASA had originally designed for.

And the SRBs were a grift giveaway to one Congressman who had the SRB manufacturer in his district. They should never have been part of a human-rated launch system.

So seeing the familiar Shuttle design in the For All Mankind timeline is already incoherent, but seeing that familiar design in lunar orbit is completely ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Dream Chaser is what the shuttle should have been all along, and if our government hadn't gutted its own ability to do things in the 1970s and 80s we could have replaced the Shuttle in the 90s or 00s with something like it.

Can we have Spaceplane?

We have Spaceplane at home.

Spaceplane at home.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The North American DC-3 is what the shuttle should have been all along. Fully reusable, no solid boosters, reasonable size wings.

And most importantly, intended to be only one part of a larger space infrastructure so it's not a bus to nowhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah that's the most realistic one, although I want to live in the universe where we got the VentureStar.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Earth SSTOs are bazinga bullshit tbh. Even skyhooks are more plausible.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nonsense! You just need a large enough fuel tank!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

That VentureStar engine has a lower Isp than the SSME

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

External fuel tank, the big red bottle of rocket fuel the shuttle is strapped to