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Former President Trump’s legal team suggested Tuesday that even a president directing SEAL Team Six to kill a political opponent would be an action barred from prosecution given a former executive’s broad immunity to criminal prosecution.

The hypothetical was presented to Trump attorney John Sauer who answered with a “qualified yes” that a former president would be immune from prosecution on that matter or even on selling pardons.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I have nothing else to say to this man. This is one of those times where all the people outright calling him a Nazi were 100% correct.

Now I'm worried that he's gonna turn the Navy SEALs into the modern day Gestapo.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The SEALs won't put up with that shit. They have the same ability to tell their CO, "nope, that's an unlawful order," that the Nukes do. Difference is that the CO isn't gonna try to force the SEAL to do shit.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Unless im mistaken every US soldier not only has the ability but the duty to refuse unlawful orders. 'Just following orders' is not acceptable in reducing any amount of personal fault iirc.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You're correct, but Nukes get reminded about it constantly during training, cause of the reactor that we were expected to know everything about, and the officers don't.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Makes sense, highly specialized skills and labor like that typically sometimes get lost on those who are fit to just manage them and not do it themselves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We got lots of Law of War stuff in the infantry as well. People that don't know any better sometimes assume that the military is just a bunch of cops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This may stem from the fact that police forces are running around with, essentially, military hardware.

There is also a lack of oversight when employing this hardware.

Hell, a cop could unload a magazine at a child holding a stuffed toy, and just say he was scared, and get a month or longer off paid while the department "investigates" itself, and finds no wrong doing.

Police frequently go to the wrong house, and go in guns blazing on innocent sleeping people.

These are militaristic actions performed by a group of people who hire, in part, by the LACK of intelligence in their staff.

Yes, being too smart can disqualify you from police work.

So yes, they get conflated. Have a problem with that? Good, so do I.

Fuck it, require special training to carry a firearm on duty.

And that training shouldn't include learned paranoia, like current training does.

The UK, as a middle ground for training requirements requires 2250 hours of training. Aren't they known for carrying the frightfully lethal whistle? You know, the same basic kind that gym teachers and children's sports coaches use?

US police require 672 hours. 3.35 (rounded) times LESS training than the UK police.

Source: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/police-training-requirements-by-country

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, the cops in the US are god-awful, no arguments here. Besides the acquisition of surplus military gear, the lack of adequate training, and the chronic failure of oversight and accountability at all levels of government, they've got this toxic warrior-cop culture that encourages them to act like violent thugs.

I'm (very)cautiously optimistic about the military not supporting a fascist coup. But the cops are chock full o'brownshirts. It's like "Oops, all Brownshirts!" Which is like, the worst fucking cereal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

You only need a small fraction to agree.

There is a reason why the GOP has obstructed the top generals from nominations.

They need only one on the top. Anymore is a bonus.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The SEALs won’t put up with that shit.

The SEALs will line up single file while backslapping and ho-raying, then get into the helicopter that crashes six miles outside of the drop zone. They're a bunch of juiced up twenty-year-olds with silver stars in their eyes. They'll fall over themselves for the opportunity to do something recklessly stupid.

Difference is that the CO isn’t gonna try to force the SEAL to do shit.

How many Michael Flynns do you think are bouncing around the US military? More than enough to find someone willing to bite.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I was worried the same way about Blackwater / Academi last time around.