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Looking for first gun for home defense/target shooting, whats the least chudy brand to get? (hexbear.net)

submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I don't really like glocks, got my eyes on a Sig P239 Enhanced Elite 9mm, but also kinda like the Berettas for not being a burgerland company, any other brands I should be looking at, whats the least chuddiest company, I looked at the HK site and my god, they have American flags everywhere and MAGA sales.

ETA: Im in 'Commiefornia' so any gun suggestions should be able to be sold here.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Rifles aren't going to penetrate plates, either. There aren't really any small arms loads that will pen even level 3 plates.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ah, I misremembered the effectiveness at close range. Although i checked and it looks only level 4 is rated for rifle fire. On the plus side, at home defense range a decently big round with good muzzle velocity like 7.62×39 can absolutely beat a man to death through his level 4 plates even without penetrating them. All that force has to go somewhere

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Afaik actual NIJ rated IIIA hard plates will reliably stop at least a couple of rounds of any small arms load up to the weird specialized sniper loads.

All that force has to go somewhere

Well yeah. It gets spread out across the entire surface of the plate, which means it's not going to do anything. Every round you fire, you're getting hit in the shoulder by the butt stock with the same amount of energy that bullet has. The bullet kills people because that energy is all concentrated in a tiny little bullet instead of spread across, idk, 6-8 square inches of the rifle stock? The idea you can somehow batter someone to death through their armor doesn't pass the most basic physics test - For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Until the plate actually fails he's feeling less pressure per square inch from the round impacting than you are firing it.

idk if this video is legit, but that's about what you should expect - Guy didn't even flinch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMDPFugXllo&t=22s

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: